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The wisest and most cautious of us all frequently gives credit to stories which he himself is afterwards both ashamed and astonished that he could possibly think of believing . . . It is acquired wisdom and experience only that teach incredulity, and they very seldom teach it enough. - Adam Smith

Half the truth is often a great lie. - Benjamin Franklin

Why Broadcast Journalism is
Unnecessary and Illegitimate


1 posted on 12/29/2006 5:53:11 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion
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2 posted on 12/29/2006 5:54:56 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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My hat's off to other, more noble, FReepers who provide the spiritual, earnest and high-minded commentary.

It is amazing, though, how they view themselves. It's like they are the Vicar of Christ.


3 posted on 12/29/2006 6:00:05 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth
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The Stone Age Press write stories for each other so they have to slant it towards the Rats and attack Republicans. That is the only way their overinflated egos are satisfied.

Pray for W and Our Troops


4 posted on 12/29/2006 6:00:47 AM PST by bray (Redeploy to Iran)
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What is wrong with the press?

They've gotten lazy. Or, maybe being charitable, they no longer have the resources to do quality journalism.

Most reporters simply push "facts" into "template" and then rush the story to print. This is the course of least resistance... they know their editor will like the formula story, and the editor doesn't like any more effort on a story than is necessary. The editor figures that the formula story has "always sold" so therefore it will sell again.

There are exceptions of course, but I've just covered 95% of the news stories that I see and hear.

Fortunately, the MSM has run into people who don't need to stick to a formula, don't have an editor trying to crank out content with the least amount of effort, and are well-trained in spotting biased formulas.



5 posted on 12/29/2006 6:01:03 AM PST by TWohlford
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"What's wrong with the press?" is that they have chosen sides. Much like the justice system the press should be neutral in its pursuit of truth.


7 posted on 12/29/2006 6:04:07 AM PST by killermosquito (Buffalo (and eventually France) is what you get when liberalism runs its course.)
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I watched it too. Hlen insisting that whe and others write 'the truth'...It was interesting.


9 posted on 12/29/2006 6:05:44 AM PST by meema (I am a Conservative Traditional Republican, NOT an elitist, sexist, cynic or right wing extremist!)
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"What is wrong with the press?"

For a much shorter answer try asking the question, " What is RIGHT with the press " !!!


11 posted on 12/29/2006 6:09:00 AM PST by Obie Wan
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"...In principle "the press" is not an entity but many diverse and contentious people publishing their opinions..."

I have to disagree. The way I see it; in principle "the press" is not an entity but many diverse and contentious people who should only be concerned with publishing facts.

That's the difference between news and opinion journalism. The problem lies when opinions and prejudices are deliberately passed off by reporters, and willingly accepted as facts by the public. That's where bias overcome news.
12 posted on 12/29/2006 6:11:28 AM PST by conservativeharleyguy (Technically, we're all Republicans)
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"...In principle "the press" is not an entity but many diverse and contentious people publishing their opinions..."

I have to disagree. The way I see it; in principle "the press" is not an entity but many diverse and contentious people who should only be concerned with publishing facts.

That's the difference between news and opinion journalism. The problem lies when opinions and prejudices are deliberately passed off by reporters, and willingly accepted as facts by the public. That's where bias overcomes news.
13 posted on 12/29/2006 6:11:49 AM PST by conservativeharleyguy (Technically, we're all Republicans)
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I don't even know why newspapers and such have editorial sections. The whole paper is one big editorial.

And the answer that Sasquach Thomas gave to the question sums it up.

The press' job is not to be for or against anything. Their job is to print the facts, period.
16 posted on 12/29/2006 6:17:57 AM PST by HOTTIEBOY (I'm your huckleberry)
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What's RIGHT with the press?


18 posted on 12/29/2006 6:18:22 AM PST by Brilliant
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Bump! The problem with the press is that it lies and it's mostly stupid.


19 posted on 12/29/2006 6:19:47 AM PST by jpsb
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What wrong with the Press?

I would say helen thomas is a walking advertisement for what is wrong with the Press.

The Press isnt there to make their lifes work a partisan effort to criticise anything done by an administration they dont agree with.
The Press is supposed to report what is happening fairly and unbiased.

Helen Thomas is anything BUT fair and unbiased.


20 posted on 12/29/2006 6:32:17 AM PST by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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What is wrong with the press? I see four big problems.

First is perception: Of course, the press "presses" that wrong perception to its own advantage but it is an erroneous perception. No one is completely objective but the press pretends to such omniscience and encourages us to believe they are totally objective. Other points of view are either ignored or villified.

Second, the nature of the business. The press, as in the MSM, exists to make money. It must do so by increasing readership numbers and thereby attracting advertisers. Reporters, news readers and others don't like this crass characterization of their "high-minded" profession but the bottom line rules all.

In order to salve their consciences and appear noble, reporters kick against this reality and pretend that they are above such concerns. One way they do this is to convince media moguls that "public issues" must have some play in the publication/broadcast. But it must be accomplished without hurting the bottom line so the press must find issues such as social justice or "we're looking out for the little guy" stories to buttress their pretense while not driving away their advertisers. Reporters therefore, while proclaiming to be dedicated to "the truth", constantly search for something to hold up their fantasy.

Third, the Watergate Effect. Part of the problem can be traced back to Woodward and Bernstein, who romanticized the idea of a reporter taking on the government and bringing it down. The journalism students which entered school before Watergate and after Watergate were markedly different in their ideas of the role of a reporter. While pre-Watergate journalism students were largely motivated by informing the public, the post-Watergate students were often drawn by the idea of power and influence. That is a broad generalization but having my own journalism studies spanning that period I can at least attest anecdotally to the effect of Watergate.

Lastly, exclusivity. Journalists tend to be exclusive. Where long ago journalists saw themselves as making large numbers of friends and contacts among the newsmakers, now journalists see newsmakers as adversaries to be brought down should they get too uppity. The result is a narrowing of the points of view to which a journalist is exposed in his or her everyday life. Some ninety percent of journalists are liberal and that is the point of view with which they surround themselves. Since so many around them hold the same point of view, why, obviously, only an idiot would believe otherwise. Add to this the heavy concentration of Northeastern liberals in positions of power in the MSM and you have ignorance of most of America and its concerns and a serious tilting in favor of stories about or concerning the Northeast.

Actually these are just a few of the problems. I didn't see the program. Were any of these issues discussed by the panelists? If not, they are still living in a fantasyland.


21 posted on 12/29/2006 6:36:31 AM PST by caseinpoint ((Don't get thickly involved in thin things.))
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I watched that CSPAN show.

The press that they are talking about believes the Iraq war to be a folly and blames itself for not asking the so-called tough questions. They also believe the Islamic threat to be something amorphous and any US reaction to it as "unfair".

Because they learned "truth to power" in college, they have nothing buy disdain for power, legitimate or illegitimate.

They are cynics, not skeptics. They believe in nothing but some kind of unattainable perfection. They live with a smug attitude of self-satisfied angst because they see that the world is so unfair and that they are the enlightened ones fighting against it. In short, apocalyptics.

Unfortunately, they really don't know what to think about the reality that Iran is willing to start lobbing nukes all over the Middle East. They don't believe Saddam would happily have done the same. And they have no regard for the dismantling (hopefully) of the AQ Kahn network.

In effect the intellectual elite is a cult of atheist apocalyptics, locked in a battle with Muslim apocalyptics that they don't believe in, because they don't believe in anything.


23 posted on 12/29/2006 7:32:35 AM PST by JmyBryan
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An neutral, independent, highly critical press, willing and able to challenge the credibility of any administration, politician or policy is a good thing. What is wrong with the press is that they have chosen sides in the political process and openly support one party while openly hostile to the other.


25 posted on 12/29/2006 8:32:41 AM PST by Natural Law
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Thanks for linking "Why Broadcast Journalism is Unnecessary an Illegitimate" in your post. OUTSTANDING thread for anyone who has not read it BUMP!


26 posted on 12/29/2006 8:48:51 AM PST by PGalt
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We are like the four blind men describing an elephant. Every point of view has merit and all see the beast (MSM) from a slightly different perspective.

My view is that we are concentrating on the parts rather than the elephant. The elephant is the left and its steady march to dominance in this country. The MSM is just one of its many tools, though an important one. The MSM now functions fully as the propaganda arm of the left and the controller of information. That is what makes the Internet and talk radio such a threat and why they will come after both.

The central question of why? needs a little background and an appraisal of its success. In the interest of brevity just look up Communist Goals and The Frankfurt School and compare that to today's reality.

The Communist philosophy can only exist through lies and deception. The Communist Manifesto, "From each according to his ability to each according to his need.", has obviously fatal flaws when taken at face value.

Who decides need? Who decides ability? The answer, of course, is The Party. That means central control and little, if any, individual freedom.

In a free society there will always be more rich than poor and more non-achievers than achievers. That is the natural result of human nature. To make all equal in a society, as Communism pretends to do, the government can only assure equality of outcome, not people. Can a non-achiever be made an achiever? Not to any great extent. The only workable way to equality is to prevent the achievers from succeeding. Who wants a society like that?

So they lie. They never mention preventing success but they throw many roadblocks in its way like government regulation, taxes, outright bans on certain activities, unionized labor, etc. All are accomplished through lies that explain that "it is for our own good."

Except for the few who are unabashed power seekers and use the lies to achieve it, the rest are what Lenin called "useful idiots", meaning those who believe the lies. That is what the MSM is to a large degree, as well as most Democrats, useful idiots.

They buy the lies of welfare, food stamps, paying for out of wedlock babies, free medical care, free housing, etc., being only temporary assistance to help the unfortunate and suppressed minorities. They believe that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was a great thing for blacks. (In a recorded phone conversation at the LBJ Library LBJ can be heard telling Sen. Richard Russell of Georgia, "That will keep the n-----s voting Democrat for the next two hundred years.") They believe affirmative action is necessary to right the wrongs of the past.

The list goes on but suffice it to say they believe they are doing good, fighting for a noble cause, and they like to be seen as such. The Communists believe the end justifies the means, that todays traitor to the USA will be tomorrows revolutionary hero when they take over.

Destroying the enemy (Republicans and conservatives) anyway possible is noble. Lying about them is OK. Shutting off their voice by shouting them down, outlawing their organizations, eliminating their views through Campaign Finance Reform, is wonderful. In other words, they are despicable and they do terrible things, all under the guise of doing good.

That is the elephant. The MSM is just a leg or a tail or a trunk. Most are useful idiots but some are hardcore Communists.
27 posted on 12/29/2006 8:54:07 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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Well it's quite simple, they voted for BJ Clinton and it wasn't their fault. So they feel free to lie about everything to prove themselves right.

Howard Dean's version of the truth as read by Dan Rather.


33 posted on 12/29/2006 10:55:48 AM PST by Tarpon
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"What is wrong with the press?" c_I_c

Nothing.
Not a damned thing.
The media's what they are.
The media does as they please.
The media's pleased with what they do.
Period.

The media in The United States of America doesn't owe anyone a thing, nada, nyet.
The media proves that repeatedly each & every day and in a hundred different ways.

Why anyone would believe the media -- whatever form -- is compelled to be "fair" and/or "Honest" with anything is perplexing, to say the least.
Where're the rules governing the LSmedia written?
Is the lamestream media's behavior dictated in the Constitution? No, of course not. Only rules I know of describe what the LSmedia can do with complete immunity, their first Amendment rights.

So.
Whatever one sees/hears from the LSmedia, that's what one gets.
No more & no less.

LSMedia has never covered up what they are, not to those who could read.
Never denied what they stand for, not for those who could see.

People irked by the LSmedia are the same people who refuse to believe what their own eyes see & ears hear.
How does one fix that?

What the LSmedia really is -- to those who claim to watch 'em -- is no secret, no mystery.

...none a'tall.

36 posted on 12/29/2006 12:57:22 PM PST by Landru (That does it, no sleep number for you pal.)
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