Ellison encourages Detroit crowd to push for justice

Star Tribune ^ | 12/25/06 | Niraj Warikoo

[Pikamax]

DETROIT — Speaking in Dearborn, Mich., late Sunday night, the first Muslim elected to Congress told a cheering crowd of Muslims they should remain steadfast in their faith and push for justice.

"You can't back down, you can't chicken out, you can't be afraid, you got to have faith in Allah, and you got to stand up and be a real Muslim," Detroit native Keith Ellison said to loud applause.

"Allahu akbar" — God is great — was the reply of many in the crowd.

[M1Tanker]

So long as people like Wesley Clark are not allowed to be generals, the US Military will no longer be used.

I doubt a Clinton could get away with sending tanks against US civilians today.

[woodbutcher]

"How many Muslims do you know well enough to sit down over a cup of coffee..?"

Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas. Right? Am I close?

How many adherents of a death cult aren't death cultists?

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OK, so now we know you have never talked to a Muslim.

So now that we know that, we can ignore your rantings.

[MikefromOhio]

Yeah so let's completely ignore our OWN laws to deal with them.

Makes perfect sense to the nuts out there I guess but that won't sell anywhere.

Good luck remaining in that one percent that is PERPETUALLY IGNORED.

[BW2221]

"Isn't this wonderful? It is not going to be pretty for the Muslims when we have another attack inside the U.S. Americans are not going to be in a mood to be tolerant. They are going to want it stopped."

Unfortunately, many people have already forgotten about 9-11 and the American Muslims have actually benefited from it with all the claims of intolerance.

[scannell]

You can be sure that as this trend continues, they will consistently be DemocRats running for office as Muslims.

[Nathan Zachary]

"I assume from that statement that you have talked at length with a number of them about their beliefs."

I have studied Islam for many years and know more Islamic "scripture" than most Muslims. I began serving in 1981 and one of my first tours was in Indonesia after "peacefull muslims" slaughtered village after village of Christians, beheaded their men, and cut off the clitoris' of women who were forced into conversion,and burned down their churches.

Islam teaches the same basic thing to every Muslim, regardless of what sec they belong too. The difference between them is only a matter of a few verses and some hadith.

I have no need to sit down and talk at length with them about their beliefs. I know what they are, and have seen countless times what they are.

What is it about:

Ishaq:208 "When Allah gave permission to his Apostle to fight, the second Aqaba contained conditions involving war which were not in the first act of submission. Now we bound themselves to war against all mankind for Allah and His Apostle. He promised us a reward in Paradise for faithful service. We pledged ourselves to war in complete obedience to Muhammad no matter how evil the circumstances."

that you don't understand? These are their beliefs:

Qur'an:8:7 "Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: ‘Wipe the infidels out to the last.'"

Qur'an:8:39 "So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam."

Ishaq:204 "‘Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man?' ‘Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.'"

Noble Qur'an:2:190 Footnote: "Jihad is holy fighting in Allah's Cause with full force of numbers and weaponry. It is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of its pillars. By Jihad Islam is established, Allah's Word is made superior (which means only Allah has the right to be worshiped), and Islam is propagated. By abandoning Jihad Islam is destroyed and Muslims fall into an inferior position; their honor is lost, their lands are stolen, their rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim. He who tries to escape from this duty, or does not fulfill this duty, dies as a hypocrite."

These are their beliefs

[woodbutcher]

Immigrants are not slaves, and therefore can not be contained in a free society. A wolf can be shot or sterilized.

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I did not suggest either.

What I said was that a person managing pack animals does not add to his pack until he gets what he already has under control.

In other words, you cut off immigration until you have what is already heare under control.

OK, now can you figure out the part about bad owners?

A little help. Watch the Dog Whisperer. He gets submission and he gets it without violence.

A good owner.

If we did not have idiot people in our congress, like Ellison, we would get them under control. Ellison is like the dumb dog owners that award their dog for bad behaviour and thus make it much worse.

[browngreengold]

And so it begins.

[BW2221]

Actually, Dearborn is a divided city. East Dearborn is Muslin and West Dearborn is still middle class white. Hamtramck is the city with the call to prayer.

Smart people in Dearborn send their kids to Divine Child (the Catholic school).

[MikefromOhio]

They think it's a religion.

Who decides WHAT is a religion these days? The Government?

You don't want to go there.

[word_warrior_bob]

If democrats re-elect this guy you know they're insane. Correction, they're insane and maybe this will confirm it for some who don't think they're insane.

[MikefromOhio]

Maybe...or not....

I don't think Islam will become the majority in this country.

And beyond that, if we change the friggin Constitution to outlaw Islam, you want to guess what will be next?

No the Constitution CLEARLY states that there won't be any laws against or restricting religion of any kind.

It figures that members of this forum only want THEIR religions and not others. Pathetic.

[woodbutcher]

have no need to sit down and talk at length with them about their beliefs. I know what they are, and have seen countless times what they are.

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There are people that believe every word in the Old Testement.

If you had ever talked with some of these Muslims, you would find that they don't take it as seriously as you do.

Anyhow, since you have never talked to a Muslim, you have no idea what you are talking about.

And there is that matter of 24,000,000 against 150,000. How do you explain that?

[BW2221]

"I spent a couple of years in the mid east.They are muslims first and even those Iragis are going to turn on us."

There have been several articles stating that there is more persecution in the Iraq Muslim Republic than there was under Saddam. I believe this statement is correct.

[pandoraou812]

I wonder how many of the these followers of Allah who commit crimes here would like to be beheaded? Like the Muslim who set fire to his wife because he wanted a divorce and his parents told him to burn her. Nice Muslim... And she lived thank the Lord. Though maybe she would have rather died since she is so terribly scared.... In Paterson NJ they were cheering on the streets on 9/11. You want to sit and have coffee with them too?... I am sure there are plenty of decent Muslims. However I think I would rather pass....Or the Muslims who believe in female genital mutilation . The two Yemens, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Jordan, Syria, and Southern Algeria do it... And yes it happens here in America too.... So as far as Muslims go I think I will stay far away from them, if it makes me racist then so be it. I never hated anyone for their color or religion but these Muslims scare me and I think thats just what they want to do. All they do is whine about whats not fair to them. If they don't like it here then they ought to go where their beliefs are accepted and are normal.

[Nathan Zachary]

That doesn't even make sense. When Muslims aren't busy killing each other, they WILL tuen back to killing infidels. Open your eyes and take a look around the world. 99% of all wars are Islamic crusades against Christian or other infidel minorities.

And you obviously haven't read the book, you don't even know what it's about.

[I see my hands]

"OK, so now we know you have never talked to a Muslim"

You are wrong.

But to address your deceitful and frightened straw man premise.. I've never had to choose between being burned alive and jumping from the 95th floor of a building. But I know the the choice is a horror. You're one ignorant piece of work.

[BW2221]

Don't watch TV news or read much about Islam, do you?

[Nathan Zachary]

"There are people that believe every word in the Old Testement.

Why wouldn't they? Christians are guided by the gospel BTW.
I'll bet you don't know what that book says either, and have a few twisted misinterpreted quotes from a Christian bashing site underlined somewhere.

[BW2221]

I bet you believe WWE wrestling is on the level.