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David Irving: Jews should ask themselves why they are hated
Haaretz ^ | December 23, 2006 | Amiram Barkat

Posted on 12/23/2006 1:58:30 PM PST by West Coast Conservative

Holocaust denier David Irving on Friday said Jews should ask themselves why they have been hated throughout history.

"They [Jews] should ask themselves the question, 'Why have they been so hated for 3000 years that there has been pogrom after pogrom in country after country?', said Irving, speaking at a press conference he convened in England on Friday, a day after he was released from an Austrian prison.

Irving, who was sentenced to three years in prison for denying the Holocaust, was released last week after his appeal was granted.

Asked if he sees himself as anti-Semitic, Irving said, "No, I like to think I am not."

But immediately following his answer, Irving expressed his support for Mel Gibson's comments that "The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world."

Irving also took pride in the success of his books and claimed that he the fortune he made from sales of his biography on World War II German General Erwin Rommel enabled him to walk into a car showroom with a paper bag stuffed with cash to buy a "Nigger brown Rolls-Royce."

Irving's comments aroused great anger within Britain's Jewish community.

Lord Janner, president of the Holocaust Educational Trust, said Irving's release was "unwarranted" and that Irving's "latest comments were totally to be expected and should be totally ignored."

(Excerpt) Read more at haaretz.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Israel
KEYWORDS: antijew; antisemitism; davidirving; hatespeech; holocaust; irving; nazi; racist; stuckonstupid
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To: rbg81
The fact that they call themselves "The Chosen People" doesn't help.

Well then I guess we should hate everybody.

If you study tribal names, or what people call themselves, they translate to the following:

The People

The Real People

The Chosen People

The Special People

The Real Human Beings

The Civilized Ones

And so on and so forth

61 posted on 12/23/2006 3:33:38 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (We must have faith For when it is all said and done, Faith manages. And the impossible is achieved)
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To: Brad's Gramma
Take it up with God. I DO believe He coined that phrase...

What language was it coined in?

62 posted on 12/23/2006 3:34:11 PM PST by Misterioso
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To: Torie

But it does raise an interesting point as pertains to the Holocaust. In Denmark, the Danish Jews were almost all saved by their fellow Danes. Now there are many reasons for this including the warning that the Nazi's were planning a roundup and the generally benign way that the Danes were treated by the Nazis ( who considered them to be Aryan brothers who merely needed a bit of time to come around) but another explanation is that the Danes as a whole did not view the jews living in Denmark to be Danish Jews but rather Danes who happened to be jewish.


63 posted on 12/23/2006 3:36:12 PM PST by NYorkerInHouston
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To: rbg81

The other side of the problem is that the Arabs know, biblically, that they are derived from Ishmael, Abraham's illigetmate son that he fathered with his wife's servant girl.


64 posted on 12/23/2006 3:36:58 PM PST by Parmy
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To: rbg81

What an excellent, eloquent answer.


65 posted on 12/23/2006 3:37:07 PM PST by RinaseaofDs (Ignorance should be painful)
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To: rbg81

I would add to the fact the Bible(Old Testament)explains the Jews as going astray from the word of God. I have noticed every time the Jews disobeyed God they would suffer for their sins. I like thinking of it as the fatted calf.

When the Jews had plenty and life was going well for them they turned their back on God, then the suffering would start again.

Forty years wondering in the desert for disobeying God should have been a good lesson, but apparently not.

Wonder if voting for democrats would count? Abortion, gay rights, anything liberal.


66 posted on 12/23/2006 3:37:09 PM PST by buck61
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To: Fishtalk

Eloquently stated Fishtalk.


67 posted on 12/23/2006 3:37:41 PM PST by Blennos (Baton Rouge)
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To: garyhope

You are so wrong. It's not bagels or kugel.

It's matzah brie! mmmm...


68 posted on 12/23/2006 3:39:02 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: West Coast Conservative
For the same reason good looking women and rich men are hated.

Jealousy
69 posted on 12/23/2006 3:40:15 PM PST by msnimje (You simply cannot be Christian and Pro-Abortion.)
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To: Misterioso

I don't know. BUT, I believe it.

I also take quite literally, the passage that says He (God) will bless those who bless you (Israel) and curse those who curse you (Israel).

I may be a ditz at times, but there's some things you just don't mess with.


70 posted on 12/23/2006 3:40:23 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (Get right with God....eternity is a long time.....)
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To: West Coast Conservative
This is a world class example of the "blame the victim" mentality.
71 posted on 12/23/2006 3:42:12 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell ( BP agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean, Patriots betrayed and punished for their competence!!!!)
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To: West Coast Conservative

David Irving..."Ordinarily he was insane, but he had lucid moments when he was merely stupid."
Heinrich Heine


72 posted on 12/23/2006 3:44:16 PM PST by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Jews should ask themselves why they have permitted David Irving to live. He should be killed tonight.


73 posted on 12/23/2006 3:45:56 PM PST by montag813
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To: Torie

Many jews worry about the lack of "jewishness" in American jews. Lapsed faith and intermarriage is killing judaism in this country. There are alot of jews in this country who are as "religious" as easter and christmas christians.

Low birth numbers are lowering jewish identity right now in the US as well. Successful people tend to have less children. Same thing of course is going on in Japan, Ireland as well.


74 posted on 12/23/2006 3:46:24 PM PST by dogbyte12
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To: franky

Jews were hated by the lower classes because Jews were educated when many were not; Jews were merchants and prospered when many did not; they were religious when many were not. It is easy for those seeking power to whip the "have nots" into hating and killing Jews. I urge you to look the Liberals of today who pit the have's against the have not's.


75 posted on 12/23/2006 3:49:00 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: baa39
It's completely stupid that this guy should have been imprisoned for three years for freedom of speech:

If instead he'd been allowed to wonder around expressing his views, someone may have shot him in the head by now, putting him out of his deranged misery and doing society a huge favor.

You are joking, but here is a great truth in that. When government minds its own business, stupidity is one of the most readily self-correcting societal ills. ;)

76 posted on 12/23/2006 3:49:33 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: West Coast Conservative

David Irving is like a Nazi. He's like Hitler. There. Readers may now invoke Godwin's Law, and I automatically lose the argument.

"As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."

That's true but often abused.

It is irrelevant to whether or not a particular comparison is logically arguable. Often, he or she who invokes Godwin's law perpetrates a pro-Nazi fallacy by saying that whoever compares the comments of a writer to Nazis, "loses the argument." Such fallacious comment appears to be much like a superstitious compulsion.


77 posted on 12/23/2006 3:49:33 PM PST by familyop ("G-d is on our side because he hates the Yanks." --St. Tuco, in the "Good, the Bad, and the Ugly")
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To: Brad's Gramma
I also take quite literally, the passage that says He (God) will bless those who bless you (Israel) and curse those who curse you (Israel).

As well you should. The Jews are probably the most hated people on earth for centuries running. They represent Gods people and Satan has a real problem with that. With the line drawn in the sand, people should choose sides carefully.

78 posted on 12/23/2006 3:52:28 PM PST by BipolarBob (Scarfe diem - sneeze the day)
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To: dogbyte12

Yes, I have read that in 2050 the percentage of self identified Jews in America who are Orthodox, will push 50%, with the absolute number of Jews less than today. A third of Jews marry someone of another faith, or no faith, I read somewhere.


79 posted on 12/23/2006 3:53:59 PM PST by Torie
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To: etradervic

Which brings up another question. Why are so many Jews Registered and loyal Democrats, regularly voting for antisemitic, left wing despisers of Jews?


80 posted on 12/23/2006 3:55:28 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell ( BP agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean, Patriots betrayed and punished for their competence!!!!)
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