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What will they Ban Next?
Townhall ^ | 12/20/06 | John Stossel

Posted on 12/20/2006 5:15:05 AM PST by Molly Pitcher

New York City has ordered restaurants to stop selling food made with trans fat. "It is a dangerous and unnecessary ingredient," says the health commissioner. Gee, I'm all for good health, but shouldn't it be a matter of individual choice?

A New York Times headline about the ban reads: "A Model for Other Cities."

"A model for what, exactly?" asks George Mason University economist Don Boudreaux (LINK: www.cafehayek.com). "Petty tyranny? Or perhaps for similarly inspired bans on other voluntary activities with health risks? Clerking in convenience stores? Walking in the rain?"

Trans fats give foods like French fries that texture I like. They are probably bad for me, but Radley Balko of Reason points out that "despite all of the dire warnings about our increased intake of trans-fats over the last 20 years, heart disease in America has been in swift decline ... So, if they're killing us, they're not doing a very good job."

But that's not the point. In a free society the issue is: Who decides what I eat, the government or me? It's not as though information about trans fats is hard to come by. Scaremongers like the Center for Science in the Public Interest (CSPI) are all too happy to tell you about the dangers, and they have no trouble getting their declarations of doom on television and into newspapers.

Unfortunately, CSPI is not content to tell you avoid trans fats. It sues restaurants like McDonald's and KFC for using them, and urges governments to ban them.

But why do the health police get to take away my choices? Adults should be expected to take responsibility for their own health.

Often the health police say they must "protect the children." But children are the responsibility of their parents. When the state assumes the role of parent, it makes children of all of us.

The food prohibitionists don't understand that there are ways to influence people's behavior without resorting to coercion -- remember, coercion is the essence of government. The public fuss about harm from trans fats has already induced many food makers to remove them. It's suddenly become a competitive advantage to boast that your products are trans-fat-free. Such voluntary action is the best way to move toward healthier food.

Why isn't that good enough for the prohibitionists? Why must they enlist the iron hand of government?

I think they dislike freedom of choice. They know the right way, so it's only right that they force everyone to follow them. That's the philosophy of prohibitionists.

The Center for Consumer Freedom is running ads saying: "Now that New York has banned cooking oils with trans fat (the same substance as margarine) ... it opens the door to banning so much more! Using the same logic, let's get rid of New York style pizza (seriously, do you need all that cheese?), beef hot dogs (tofu dogs almost taste the same), corned beef (turkey breast is much leaner). ... "

Yes, I know the center's sponsors include restaurants and food companies, but still, it has a good point.

Nobel Prize-winning economist Milton Friedman, who died a few weeks ago, would have agreed. He was the author of "Free to Choose" and "free to choose" sums up Friedman's philosophy. He would have cringed at the banning of trans fats, just as he objected to the earlier banning of products like the sugar substitute called cyclamates.

Over 25 years ago, Friedman wrote, "If we continue on this path, there is no doubt where it will end. If the government has the responsibility of protecting us from dangerous substances, the logic surely calls for prohibiting alcohol and tobacco. . . . Insofar as the government has information not generally available about the merits or demerits of the items we ingest or the activities we engage in, let it give us the information. But let it leave us free to choose what chances we want to take with our own lives."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: miltonfriedman; nannystate; transfats
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This is EXACTLY what I have been telling people for the past few years. I smoke. Ok, I know its bad for me, but I do it anyway . . .free choice and all. I ask non-smokers who wholeheartedly support smoking bans . . "What's next?" I also tell them that when they come for thier french fries or thier soda pops, don't come whining to me.

There HAS to be a way to stop this insanity!!

21 posted on 12/20/2006 5:47:05 AM PST by misharu (US Congress = children without adult supervision)
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To: SkiHatGuy

taco bell


22 posted on 12/20/2006 5:48:08 AM PST by Total Package (TOLEDO, OHIO THE MRSA INFECTION IN THE STATE)
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To: Molly Pitcher

coffee, tobacco, alcohol, exams in public schools, grade point averages in public schools, high school football, rat poison, bleach, mercury thermometers, ammonia, any ingredient in pesticides that actually kills pests, wood-burning fireplaces, salt, sugar, skateboards, two-story houses, ladders, cough syrup, table saws, lawn mowers, guns, hunting, backyard swimming pools, hang gliding, motorcycles, etc...


23 posted on 12/20/2006 5:48:27 AM PST by bws53
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To: Paloma_55

The government already considers your poor health a detriment to maximized tax receipts. Since citizens are clearly the main source of government income, anything that impedes the efficient use of the human resource is a bad thing.


24 posted on 12/20/2006 5:49:21 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze
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To: bws53

Don't give them anymore bright ideas.........


25 posted on 12/20/2006 5:49:28 AM PST by Gabz (If we weren't crazy, we'd just all go insane.)
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To: Paloma_55

I want to know what her plan is like for those who have chronic health conditions. The very thought of it terrifies me.


26 posted on 12/20/2006 5:50:06 AM PST by Pan_Yans Wife
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To: Molly Pitcher

I think investing in coffee, liquor, beer, wine, might be a good thing, in the short run.


27 posted on 12/20/2006 5:51:27 AM PST by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: Liberty Valance

''What will they Ban Next?

Foldin' money?''

Exactly - then they will be able to trace everything we do.
Regulate and Tax accordingly.
Golly-Gee - can't wait.....


28 posted on 12/20/2006 5:51:51 AM PST by libertarian27
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To: Molly Pitcher
Democracy is the most dangerous form of government in which the rights of the individual can be totally stripped from him by the majority.

That is why the Founding Father's made the USofA a Democratic Republic. The Republic part was designed to
control and keep under foot the dangers of democracy, and the Electoral College was to keep smaller states from the totalitarianism of the most populace states.

As long as the power of the individual states remains sapped away into a centralized Fed what begins in NYC can spread via Federal Law to the rest of the states.
29 posted on 12/20/2006 5:52:09 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: from occupied ga

As an example, on the news last night, the Fort Wayne Indiana city councilman pushing a very strict new smoking ordinance made it clear that THEY were exempting outdoors and private residences.Indicating to me that they assume they have the right to do either that or the opposite.


30 posted on 12/20/2006 5:54:46 AM PST by John W
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To: Molly Pitcher

Trans fats are unhealthy, with an abundance of scientific evidence to that effect. Friedman would probably not have opposed banning them in most applications as he saw a role for the State in setting the "rules of the game," with public health a recognized basis for action.


31 posted on 12/20/2006 5:55:51 AM PST by Rockingham
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To: Rockingham

Assuming you are a conservative since you are here, do you really believe regulating trans fat is within the purview of a city government?


32 posted on 12/20/2006 6:00:31 AM PST by John W
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To: John W
As an example, on the news last night, the Fort Wayne Indiana city councilman pushing a very strict new smoking ordinance made it clear that THEY were exempting outdoors and private residences.Indicating to me that they assume they have the right to do either that or the opposite

I begin to wonder about Clair Wolf's comment that it's too late to do anything conventionally and too soon to start shooting the bastards.

33 posted on 12/20/2006 6:01:38 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: Tanniker Smith

Doesn't everyone keep their clicker by their bed?


34 posted on 12/20/2006 6:03:25 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: Gabz; Just another Joe; Madame Dufarge; Cantiloper; metesky; Judith Anne; lockjaw02; Mears; CSM; ...
John Stossel gets it!

Thanks for the ping!

A New York Times headline about the ban reads: "A Model for Other Cities."

Absolutely nuts!


35 posted on 12/20/2006 6:04:38 AM PST by SheLion (When you're right, take up the fight!!!!!)
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To: John W
Indicating to me that they assume they have the right to do either that or the opposite.

You've got it right. They actually do believe they have the right.

36 posted on 12/20/2006 6:04:45 AM PST by Gabz (If we weren't crazy, we'd just all go insane.)
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To: Molly Pitcher
When they come for my Caffeine I will advocate open rebellion.
37 posted on 12/20/2006 6:06:33 AM PST by Husker24
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To: Thermalseeker

Oh, and ban Bungee Jumping and Para sailing.... Some people have been hurt............


38 posted on 12/20/2006 6:07:30 AM PST by Red Badger (New! HeadOn Hemorrhoid Medication for Liberals!.........Apply directly to forehead.........)
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To: cannonball

Same as the secret for 3 card Monty......


39 posted on 12/20/2006 6:08:58 AM PST by Red Badger (New! HeadOn Hemorrhoid Medication for Liberals!.........Apply directly to forehead.........)
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To: Paloma_55

"If Hillary had her way with health care..."

Some of us are already there. For those retired on Medicare the rationing has aready begun.

this past August, alone on my ranch,I was bitten by a cotton mouth water moccosin in my vegetable garden. The bill came to 2700.00 at the hospital The ambulance 588.00. Medicare paid only 331.00!!!! And NOTHING on the ambulance bill. Medigap policy won't pay for anything Medicare disallows either. I'm afraid we're expected to keep paying and hopefully die if there's any chance we might run up a bill. Some are doing just that.
My neihbor was bitten in the face by a rattlesnake same time last year. She died sitting in a lawn chair on her front porch waiting for the ambulance. (same EMT guys who came for me.) Don't guess either was a true medical emergency.
Seniors need to be made aware of this rip-off. I've paid over 4,000 in premiums and never had a claim until now. I think everyone is going to love national health care!!!


40 posted on 12/20/2006 6:09:40 AM PST by texaslil (and)
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