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"She failed to call for help from the National Guard"

I just can't help but wonder about that: did liberal political correctness (Portland is very liberal) cost James Kim his life?

The included article from San Fran Chron outlines events pretty well, as far as I can tell.


1 posted on 12/18/2006 3:13:33 PM PST by the anti-liberal
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ping for your Oregon list


2 posted on 12/18/2006 3:14:48 PM PST by the anti-liberal
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"The Ineptness of James Kim." is a much more appropriate Title.


4 posted on 12/18/2006 3:18:51 PM PST by verity (Muhammed is a Dirt Bag)
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Michelle Malkin bump!


5 posted on 12/18/2006 3:19:31 PM PST by PGalt
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Thank you for following the rules


8 posted on 12/18/2006 3:21:51 PM PST by JRios1968 (Tagline wanted...inquire within)
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As someone who lives in the Portland Metro area, let me assure everyone that The Oregonian is as left wing a rag as there is.

I have to wonder who they're protecting by placing the blame at the feet of the Josephine County....

9 posted on 12/18/2006 3:23:26 PM PST by rightandproud
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Her direct supervisor, an undersheriff in his last week on the job, said he ignored a late-night call from her about the case because he was watching an Oregon State football game on television.

I have a friend whose son was born brain damaged because a doctor failed to show up in the delivery room 45 years ago for a similar reason. They were the first people in the Bay Area to successfully sue a doctor in such a case.

11 posted on 12/18/2006 3:25:03 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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Why am I surprised. The military as well as some special private companies have heat seeking equipment and can detect a dear in the forest. Where is this equipment? Same place as almost everything that could be used is. We have a political system built of the dumbest of the dumb, and don't expect anything important to be added to the search and rescue teams. Too busy filling their pockets to do anything meaningful.


13 posted on 12/18/2006 3:25:44 PM PST by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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Sheriff preferring to watch football instead of call to action didn't help, did it?


15 posted on 12/18/2006 3:28:48 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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80% of Oregon is as conservative as can be. If it wasn't for the overwhelming concentrations of liberal in a few key spots, it would be like Idaho. Josephine county is red.


17 posted on 12/18/2006 3:30:00 PM PST by ThreeYearLurker
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Did the report ALSO mention that while there MIGHT have been some breakdowns- that at least SOMEONE WAS LOOKING for Kim? Or did they just malign all those who risked theirl ives looking for kim- criticising their efforts when the reporters did NOTHING? Cripes- http://sacredscoop.com


19 posted on 12/18/2006 3:30:49 PM PST by CottShop
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Once it was reported they were missing they should have had a search party all ready to go. After reading up on it I can see there were lots of mistakes made on everyones part, including the Kim's. This whole story is so sad and such a shame. Maybe now people will become more aware of the routes they take, store food, blankets and have flares in their cars. Even a cd or a mirror can be used to flash for help. I don't know that you can really blame anyone, its just a tragic story. Mr Kim tried his best to get help for his family. I was always told never leave your car as its a shelter and if they find it then they don't have to look for you. Prayers for this family and the hope that people stay off those roads in the winter.
23 posted on 12/18/2006 3:39:42 PM PST by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance and dilligaf?)
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Sure, blame the rescue team, when this guy never should have left the car to begin with.


30 posted on 12/18/2006 3:47:38 PM PST by montag813
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Without pointing any fingers...
I learned one thing from the Kim episode.

At the very least...
Buy and keep a PLB (Personal Locator Beacon) and some spare batteries
in the vehicle or on my person if I ever go someplace I might not
be able to exit on my own power.

It could be the best extra 12 ounces a person every hauled into the wilderness.

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp;jsessionid=KZ0UT4FWEU14ICWQNWRCCOAK0BW0GIWE?id=0029764516802a&type=product&cmCat=search&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&QueryText=personal+locator+beacon&N=4887&Ntk=Products&Ntx=mode+matchall&Nty=1&Ntt=personal+locator+beacon&noImage=0

In the Kim's case, two PLBs would be good...if you have to split up
and try to go for help.


37 posted on 12/18/2006 3:55:41 PM PST by VOA
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Everyone should read the full article in The Oregonian.
The incompetence of the authorities is infuriating.
47 posted on 12/18/2006 4:06:36 PM PST by saquin
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Must we nitpick everything. It seems as all media is just a big gossip whore house with fingers pointing at others. Trying to place blame.


83 posted on 12/18/2006 5:40:44 PM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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...one feisty little Lady!


90 posted on 12/18/2006 6:22:22 PM PST by danmar (Tomorrow's life is too late. Live today!)
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James Kim was supposedly a techie geek. I can't believe he didn't have a GPS in his car and on his person. No self repsecting techie geek would go anywhere without one. A word to the wise... anyone who wants to take an adventure in the cascades had better take along a gps and a ham radio and lots of batteries.


101 posted on 12/18/2006 7:05:23 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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James Kim cost James Kim his life.

Multiple bad choices he made led to his death.

I suppose because he was driving an SUV he thought he could go anywhere in any weather conditions. To take remote back mountain roads that they were not familiar with during a storm is an incredibly bad choice. Once stuck they should have waited for day light and reasonable clear conditions and burned the spare tire. If that didn't attract attention use the other tires on the vehicle. Tires produce thick black smoke and burn for quite awhile. The smoke could have been seen for many miles.
109 posted on 12/18/2006 7:39:35 PM PST by DB
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I've held my tongue to this point because the circumstances turned out to be so very tragic. I'll refrain from criticism of the Kims because it's all been said by now for better or worse - they were the victims of a few key decisions and a perfect storm, if you'll excuse the phrase, of bad luck.

More can, I think, be stated with respect to the performance of search and rescue, or more specifically with respect to its chain of command. For one thing we have more information, and for another we know with fair certainty what the participants did not. Hindsight isn't actually 20/20 at all, and it's not fair to assume that a newspaper article has captured the viewpoint of the person in the situation, but it's usually better than that if we can manage to keep impatience and emotion out of judgment.

The difficulties faced by the regional command seem to me to be twofold - first in recognizing and employing the full range of assets available, and second through tenth communication, communication, communication. A SAR setup the size normally available in that part of Oregon is usually limited in terms of funding and hence training as well, one manifestation of which is that the lady in charge found herself missing one vital piece of information because she was in the field trying not to vomit when it came to her. She shouldn't have been there but was because she was used to using herself as one of a limited number of assets and was, in consequence, less able to utilize those that were really available in this case - the National Guard FLIR assets, for example.

But it was the communications breakdown - it nearly always is in operations of this type - that really prevented a timely rescue. The data were there in the hands of private citizens and contractors but the system was incapable of transmitting them to a decision-making authority. The cell-phone tower data, for example. The data on footprints, however incomplete. All of this either sat because it had no further means of transmission or was lost in the confusion by lack of prioritization. Here I believe we have a primary training issue.

Mr. Kim was a brave and unfortunate man who went down swinging for his family and for that he has my admiration. A proper legacy for this is, in my opinion, that people who care so very much for his case should stop shouting at one another and that the media should stop couching this sort of breakdown in terms of blame and start suggesting a means to remediate the shortcomings that seem to have been identified.

127 posted on 12/18/2006 8:56:53 PM PST by Billthedrill
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I suppose because he was driving an SUV he thought he could go anywhere in any weather conditions. To take remote back mountain roads that they were not familiar with during a storm is an incredibly bad choice. Once stuck they should have waited for day light and reasonable clear conditions and burned the spare tire. If that didn't attract attention use the other tires on the vehicle. Tires produce thick black smoke and burn for quite awhile. The smoke could have been seen for many miles.

James Kim is seen with his children, Penelope (L) and Sabine (in arms), in an undated photo provided by the Oregon State Police. REUTERS/Oregon State Police/Handout

PAULA ZAHN, CNN ANCHOR Stranded: The James Kim Ordeal. Transcript

HELLER: This is where Mr. Kim ended up burning the tires of his vehicle. He burnt that for the heat, initially. They wanted to create smoke to try to get a smoke column to attract attention to themselves.

GRIFFIN (on camera): He burns the tires. Nobody comes. Now he's out of tires. The vehicle is not moving, and he thinks his only way to save his family is to leave his family.

137 posted on 12/19/2006 5:19:26 AM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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