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The Mark of Cain--Muslims have been the primary perpetrators and victims of their own violence.
Western Standard | Frontpagemagazine ^ | December 18, 2006 | Salim Mansur

Posted on 12/18/2006 7:29:51 AM PST by SJackson

In October, the British medical journal The Lancet published a study by researchers from the Johns Hop-kins Bloomberg School of Public Health and Baghdad’s Al Mustansiriya University, alleging that “654,965 more Iraqis may have died since hostilities began in Iraq in March 2003,” than would have died had Saddam Hussein remained in power. That research was quickly subjected to expert scrutiny, and questions about its methodology cast doubt on its findings.

The publication’s timing was perhaps no coincidence, as it came before the November 2006 U.S. congressional elections. The study supposed that, on average, “a thousand Iraqis have been violently killed every single day in the first half of 2006, with less than a tenth of them being noticed by any public surveillance mechanisms” – in the critical words of the independent Iraqi Body Count. The IBC stands by its daily reporting of Iraqi casualties, which of late, as the American mid-term elections approached, peaked at about a hundred fatalities daily.

Yet too many Iraqis are dead, wounded and marked by torture, not from the U.S. war for regime change, but going back to 1968, when Saddam Hussein seized power in Baghdad. By inflating Iraqi deaths since March 2003, The Lancet article trivializes Iraqi suffering under his rule. Further, it is churlish to politicize the casualties from wars to end tyranny and free a people traumatized by brutal regimes. The liberation of Iraq caused unavoidable deaths, as did the liberation of Europe and Japan in World War Two. Any effort to end genocide in Darfur will cause Sudanese casualties, as did Vietnam’s 1979 intervention to stop Pol Pot’s slaughter of Cambodians, or the Tanzanian army’s liberation of Uganda from murderous Idi Amin.

This October, IBC estimated the maximum number of Iraqi dead following Saddam’s overthrow at more than 49,000, including the casualties of operations by the U.S.-led coalition and those killed by both Iraqi criminals and foreign jihadists. And this figure comes with the usual caveats of reporting from multiple sources in a fluid insurgency. Apart from the discrepancy between the IBC and Lancet counts, what is seen most clearly here is the reluctance of western sources to report the terrible reality of Muslim on Muslim violence throughout the Arab-Muslim world.

Iraqi casualties from the radical Islamist insurgency and sectarian Sunni-Shia violence exceed those from American-led military operations. The Bush administration may perhaps be faulted for not anticipating that level of violence and civilian casualties – but only in hindsight. No one in Washington or London could have imagined the ferocity of the militants who punish the Iraqis who opt for freedom. To anticipate such Muslim on Muslim violence would have required an admission of that tendency within Muslim history. No regional expert in the White House, nor even the astute historian of the region Bernard Lewis, warned ahead of Iraq’s liberation that Islamist insurgency might seek to drown Iraqi freedom in blood and tears.

Muslim on Muslim violence is intrinsic to Arab-Muslim history. The tribal lust for power and cruelty in warfare are not unique to Middle East culture. But such tribalism warped Islam as a faith tradition in the early seventh century, right at the outset of the post-prophetic years. Among its first victims were Prophet Mohammed’s family members: his cousin and son-in-law Ali, and his grandsons Hasan and Husayn.

Al Qaeda chief in Iraq Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, killed this June, had come there from Jordan to precipitate a naked Sunni-Shia sectarian war. He had a large following in Jordan, and his mayhem in Iraq was not widely condemned by Arab leaders. His political violence was not an anomaly to his culture. Neither is Osama bin Laden’s ideology alien to Saudi Arabia’s sort of Islam, exported throughout the Sunni Muslim world. We have witnessed uninhibited Muslim on Muslim violence in Taliban Afghanistan, Darfur’s rolling genocide, the decade-long siege of Algeria, Saddam’s massacre of Iraqi Kurds, the bloodletting among Palestinians, and the clan warfare in Somalia.

Muslim on Muslim violence, crippling the Arab-Muslim world, is documented in R.J. Rummel’s Statistics of Democide. He provides the grisly example of Pakistan’s 1971 genocide in East Pakistan, which “succeeded in killing perhaps 1,500,000 people, created 10,000,000 refugees who had fled to India, provoked a war with India, [and] incited a countergenocide of 150,000 non-Bengalis.” As a young adult, I saw firsthand what Rummel describes.

The Lancet article’s flaw was worse than just questionable methodology. It shifted the Arab-Muslim culpability in Iraq’s bloodletting to the American-led coalition. It made room for Arabs and Muslims to deny their responsibility in making their own grim history.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: agenda; ibc; iraqibodycount; iraquibodycount; lancet

1 posted on 12/18/2006 7:29:55 AM PST by SJackson
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To: SJackson

Okey dokey. So, when will they learn to stand up for themselves?


2 posted on 12/18/2006 7:32:10 AM PST by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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3 posted on 12/18/2006 7:41:32 AM PST by SJackson (had to move the national debate from whether to stay the course to how do we start down the path out)
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To: SJackson

See Genesis 6:12, of Ishmael, "he shall be a wild ass among men; his hand shall be against every man and every man's hand against him..."


4 posted on 12/18/2006 7:45:17 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: SJackson
Okay, so WHICH Muslim faith or Islamic text -- is the "Religion of Peace" founded upon?

It appears to be the case, the ONLY peace to be found within Islam is the "peace" found in the grave..

The "indoctrinated and pious" Muslim has become demonstrably unsuited to live in any non Muslim multicultural environment..

We may soon reach sufficient sanity to bar entry to any professed Muslim into the United States who refuses an oath to be held responsible for assimilation into our society, or be subject to deportation on FIRST OFFENSE.

Semper Fi
5 posted on 12/18/2006 8:02:51 AM PST by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: SJackson
"But such tribalism warped Islam as a faith tradition in the early seventh century, right at the outset of the post-prophetic years. Among its first victims were Prophet Mohammed’s family members: his cousin and son-in-law Ali, and his grandsons Hasan and Husayn."

Muhammad's ideology was warped from the get-go. It was all about power, not faith, or they wouldn't have squabbled about who was to take the reins after Muhammad died.

Ali


6 posted on 12/18/2006 8:03:00 AM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: SJackson

"The Lancet article’s flaw was worse than just questionable methodology. It shifted the Arab-Muslim culpability in Iraq’s bloodletting to the American-led coalition. It made room for Arabs and Muslims to deny their responsibility in making their own grim history."

DOn't worry Mr. Mansur. The IRaqis suffer under no such delusions. They know full well the "Ali Babas" are responsible for their misery.


7 posted on 12/18/2006 8:03:26 AM PST by Killborn (Age of servitude. A government of the traitors, by the liars, for the sheep.)
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To: SJackson

The radical loser (Long Read)
Der Spiegel ^ | 1/12/05 | Hans Magnus Enzensberger
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1694568/posts

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The radical loser has not disappeared either. He is still among us. This is inevitable. On every continent, there are leaders who welcome him with open arms. Except that today, they are very rarely associated with the state. In this field too, privatization has made considerable advances. Although it is governments which have at their disposal the greatest potential for extermination, state crime in the conventional sense is now on the defensive worldwide.

To date, few loser-collectives have operated on a global scale, even if they were able to count on international flows of cash and weapon supplies. But the world is teeming with local groupings whose leaders are referred to as warlords or guerrilla chiefs. Their self-appointed militias and paramilitary gangs like to adorn themselves with the title of a liberation organization or other revolutionary attributes. In some media, they are referred to as rebels, a euphemism that probably flatters them. Shining Path, MLC, RCD, SPLA, ELA, LTTE, LRA, FNL, IRA, LIT, KACH, DHKP, FSLN, UVF, JKLF, ELN, FARC, PLF, GSPC, MILF, NPA, PKK, MODEL, JI, NPA, AUC, CPNML, UDA, GIA, RUF, LVF, SNM, ETA, NLA, PFLP, SPM, LET, ONLF, SSDF, PIJ, JEM, SLA, ANO, SPLMA, RAF, AUM, PGA, ADF, IBDA, ULFA, PLFM, ULFBV, ISYF, LURD, KLO, UPDS, NLFT, ATTF ...

"Left" or "Right", it makes no odds. Each of these armed rabbles calls itself an army, boasts of brigades and commandos, self-importantly issuing bureaucratic communiqués and boastful claims of responsibility, acting as if they were the representatives of "the masses". Being convinced, as radical losers, of the worthlessness of their own lives, they do not care about the lives of anyone else either; any concern for survival is foreign to them. And this applies equally to their opponents, to their own followers, and to those with no involvement whatsoever. They have a penchant for kidnapping and murdering people who are trying to relieve the misery of the region they are terrorizing, shooting aid workers and doctors and burning down every last hospital in the area with a bed or a scalpel – for they have trouble distinguishing between mutilation and self-mutilation.

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There is also no mistaking other similarities, such as the fixation with written authorities. The place of Marx and Lenin is taken by the Koran, references are made not to Gramsci but to Sayyid Qutb. Instead of the international proletariat, it takes as its revolutionary subject the Umma, and as its avant-garde and self-appointed representative of the masses it takes not The Party but the widely branching conspiratorial network of Islamist fighters. Although the movement can draw on older rhetorical forms which to outsiders may sound high-flown or big-mouthed, it owes many of its idées fixes to its Communist enemy: history obeys rigid laws, victory is inevitable, deviationists and traitors are to be exposed and then, in fine Leninist tradition, bombarded with ritual insults.

The movement's list of favourite foes is also short on surprises: America, the decadent West, international capital, Zionism. The list is completed by the unbelievers, that is to say the remaining 5.2 billion people on the planet. Not forgetting apostate Muslims who may be found among the Shiites, Ibadhis, Alawites, Zaidites, Ahmadiyyas, Wahhabis, Druze, Sufis, Kharijites, Ishmaelites or other religious communities.

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Contrary to what the West appears to believe, the destructive energy of Islamist actions is directed mainly against Muslims. This is not a tactical error, not a case of "collateral damage". In Algeria alone, Islamist terror has cost the lives of at least 50,000 fellow Algerians. Other sources speak of as many as 150,000 murders, although the military and the secret services were also involved. In Iraq and Afghanistan, too, the number of Muslim victims far outstrips the death toll among foreigners. Furthermore, terrorism has been highly detrimental not only to the image of Islam but also to the living conditions of Muslims around the world.

The Islamists are as unconcerned about this as the Nazis were about the downfall of Germany. As the avant-garde of death, they have no regard for the lives of their fellow believers. In the eyes of the Islamists, the fact that most Muslims have no desire to blow themselves and others sky high only goes to show that they deserve no better than to be liquidated themselves. After all, the aim of the radical loser is to make as many other people into losers as possible. As the Islamists see it, the fact that they are in the minority can only be because they are the chosen few.
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8 posted on 12/18/2006 8:07:42 AM PST by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: mtbopfuyn
Okey dokey. So, when will they learn to stand up for themselves?

Don't hold your breath....

9 posted on 12/18/2006 8:12:56 AM PST by Nat Turner (DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME)
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To: SJackson
Muslims have been the primary perpetrators and victims of their own violence.
 
 
Dang!
 
I wonder WHY???
 
NIV Genesis 16:7-16
 7.  The angel of the LORD found Hagar near a spring in the desert; it was the spring that is beside the road to Shur.
 8.  And he said, "Hagar, servant of Sarai, where have you come from, and where are you going?"   "I'm running away from my mistress Sarai," she answered.
 9.  Then the angel of the LORD told her, "Go back to your mistress and submit to her."
 10.  The angel added, "I will so increase your descendants that they will be too numerous to count."
 11.  The angel of the LORD also said to her: "You are now with child and you will have a son. You shall name him Ishmael, for the LORD has heard of your misery.
 12.  He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward  all his brothers."
 13.  She gave this name to the LORD who spoke to her: "You are the God who sees me," for she said, "I have now seen  the One who sees me."
 14.  That is why the well was called Beer Lahai Roi ; it is still there, between Kadesh and Bered.
 15.  So Hagar bore Abram a son, and Abram gave the name Ishmael to the son she had borne.
 16.  Abram was eighty-six years old when Hagar bore him Ishmael. 
 
 
 
 
 

10 posted on 12/18/2006 8:23:20 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: river rat
Okay, so WHICH Muslim faith or Islamic text -- is the "Religion of Peace" founded upon?

RR... You have asked the $64,000 question.

A huge chunk of the answer is found in the Islamic "lexicon":
FOR EXAMPLE
PEACE -- is a code word for muslim domination
Thus... they call themselves a RELIGION OF PEACE -- make sense??

TRUTH -- is a code word for saying whatever it takes to gain access... then advantage... then control through the imposition of sharia law....

The Bible plainly tells us: "Thou shalt not bear false witness"

The shaded, confusing, and conveniently amended principles [false prophecies] of the Koran tell muzzies: "Lie, cheat, steal, and murder, until you have gained dominance and control --- Allah will bless you for it!"

In the muslim mind... there is either PEACE (domination)
Or jihad.... the ongoing struggle for islamic domination

There is no middle ground, "tolerance"... or other accomodations for live and let live in the minds of committed muslims...

Itsa justa nutshell view...
Hope this helps....

11 posted on 12/18/2006 9:08:23 AM PST by Wings-n-Wind (The answers remain available; Wisdom is obtained by asking all the right questions!)
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To: mtbopfuyn
Okey dokey. So, when will they learn to stand up for themselves?

When they stop laying on the ground with their butts in the air five times a day.

12 posted on 12/18/2006 9:15:06 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: sageb1
Like many religious zealots, Mohammad used religion as a shield to justify his personal debauchery. The fools are the ones who don't see that and reject it. Of course the fear of walking around headless is a powerful deterrent against dissent. However, many despots do that. Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro, and others used the religion of Communism, the Workers Paradise, to hide behind.

Communism and Islam have a lot in Common. Both lie and, as Ann Coulter says, the religion of Communism is Godless.

13 posted on 12/18/2006 9:22:23 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Wings-n-Wind
Your post is a great nutshell description Of Islam. Thanks.

I would like to point out once again that what you say about Islam is also true of Communism. Freedom of the individual is the enemy of both.

14 posted on 12/18/2006 9:33:26 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: SJackson

If muslims persist in brainwashing their young males to be out of control insane killers, they will reap the whirlwind.


15 posted on 12/18/2006 9:37:18 AM PST by tkathy (Sectarian violence? Or genocidal racists? Which is a better description of islamists?)
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To: Wings-n-Wind
" Itsa justa nutshell view...
Hope this helps...."

I'm sure you knew I knew that -- right?

Now I'd like to know how a "tolerant and freedom loving, open society" can deal with folks like Islamists who accept our welcoming generosity as a fool's weakness..

I'm all for slamming the door on new pious Muslim immigrants, (as if we could) and sweep all the non self supporting or "troublesome" Muslims out of the country.

Neither of which will happen.....unfortunately.

Which is precisely why a "kind" society has NO WAY to deal with these assholes -- short of an internal rampage -- not unlike those the Muslims conduct from time to time..

Arm thy selves neighbors..

Semper Fi

16 posted on 12/18/2006 11:18:41 AM PST by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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