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(California) Judge says executions unconstitutional
Associated Press ^ | December 15, 2006 | David Kravets

Posted on 12/15/2006 10:37:15 PM PST by Zakeet

SAN FRANCISCO - A federal judge who imposed a moratorium on executions in California ruled Friday that the state's method of lethal injection is unconstitutional because it violates the ban on cruel and unusual punishment.

California's "implementation of lethal injection is broken, but it can be fixed," U.S. District Judge Jeremy Fogel said.

Fogel said the case raised the question of whether a three-drug cocktail administered by the San Quentin State Prison is so painful that it "offends" the Eighth Amendment ban on cruel and unusual punishment.

Fogel said he was compelled "to answer that question in the affirmative."

Fogel's decision came on the same day that Florida Gov. Jeb Bush suspended all executions in that state after a botched execution this week.

Lethal injection is the preferred execution method in 37 states. Last month, a federal judge declared unconstitutional Missouri's injection method, which is similar to California's.

The U.S. Supreme Court has upheld executions — by hanging, firing squad, electric chair and gas chamber — despite the pain they might cause, but has left unsettled the issue of whether the pain is unconstitutionally excessive.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: communistgoals; court; crime; execution; gramsci; judicialautocracy; lethalinjection
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To: goldstategop
I believe the key is in the phrase "cruel and unusual." My interpretation of this is that you can make it as cruel as you want, as long as it's not unusual.
21 posted on 12/16/2006 1:04:12 AM PST by Bonaparte
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To: Manic_Episode
We don't live in a country where judges obey the law. They make the law up and defy people to challenge their autocratic rule. They have become used to the idea they are our overlords. America is a kakistocracy today.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

22 posted on 12/16/2006 1:05:48 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Bonaparte
As a widespread procedure, lethal injection is neither cruel nor unusual. Judge Fogel got the 8th Amendment wrong by the way. Nowhere in the Constitution does it ban capital punishment; to the contrary, it takes its existence for granted.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

23 posted on 12/16/2006 1:07:45 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
"... kakistocracy..."

Just tried to say that fast ten times. Couldn't even do it once.

24 posted on 12/16/2006 1:08:03 AM PST by Bonaparte
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To: Drango

The answer here in the end...is to build a rather remote prison in the far-back of Montana. Give every deathrow inmate a one-way ticket into the facility...give them a 8 foot by 10 foot cell...which would have a door which would slide open each day for 60 minutes to allow them into a court-yard of 400 sq ft. Allow them no human contact...just three simple meals per day...no juices...no coffee...just water and simple food (3000 calories per day only). Allow no electricity into the cube except for the light which is lit for 12 hours per day and radio speaker built into the ceiling which plays salsa music during the daylight hours. No books, no tv, no entertainment, no gym, no contact. This is the only way to make the anti-execution crowd happy and the pro-execution crowd happy. The guy sitting in this type of facility will eventually kill himself within a year or two...and the prison population will always maintain a disposal plan of inmates. We can even contract this out.


25 posted on 12/16/2006 1:08:28 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: goldstategop

Don't worry about Fogel. SCOTUS will overrule him like they always do.


26 posted on 12/16/2006 1:09:11 AM PST by Bonaparte
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To: pepsionice
How about no food and water at all? Starvation is pretty painless and the sensation amounts to a feeling of pleasant euphoria. It should make every one happy. After all what's good for Terri Schiavo I maintain, is good enough for murderers.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

27 posted on 12/16/2006 1:11:47 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: pepsionice

Death By Salsa? Now they're going to say that unduly favors Latino inmates.


28 posted on 12/16/2006 1:12:06 AM PST by Bonaparte
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To: Zakeet

The headline is misleading and false. He gave a clear map to remedy the situation and all executions to go forward.


29 posted on 12/16/2006 2:32:10 AM PST by newzjunkey (Enjoy your retirement, Rummy.)
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To: Zakeet

I think the initial crimes that resulted in this penalty are unconstitutional as well as alot of the grinding legal system.


30 posted on 12/16/2006 6:24:19 AM PST by xowboy
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To: Zakeet
I'm sorry if what I'm about to say offends some people: I don't give a flying fat rat's ass how much a damn convicted killer suffers during their execution. You can be guaranteed they don't suffer nearly as much as their victims did (or the victim's families for that matter).
31 posted on 12/16/2006 6:31:10 AM PST by MissEdie (Liberalscostlives)
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To: Zakeet
(California) Judge says executions unconstitutional

Well, if a judge says it, then it must be true.

32 posted on 12/16/2006 6:32:47 AM PST by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: Zakeet
The Justice System grinds to a halt while the Legal System grinds on.

Then kill them with a bullet, it's quicker, and if more who deserved it were executed, it wouldn't be unusual. There, problem solved.

33 posted on 12/16/2006 7:38:16 AM PST by little jeremiah (Only those who thirst for the truth will see the truth)
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To: Zakeet
They should use heroin for the lethal injection. People do that voluntarily, therefore it must not be cruel and it is obviously not unusual.

Heck, we might even get volunteers!

34 posted on 12/16/2006 9:51:31 AM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are REALLY stupid.)
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To: Zakeet

bump ... thank God this has already been settled.


35 posted on 12/16/2006 10:07:20 AM PST by Centurion2000 (If the Romans had nukes, Carthage would still be glowing.)
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To: Zakeet
I don't get it... So, change the "cocktail." The last time I had general anesthetic, they first gave me a shot (in my IV) of sodium pentathol, and had me count backwards from 100. I got to 99 and then I was completely out. Once the convict is unconcious, give him the rest of the "cocktail."

Mark

36 posted on 12/16/2006 10:46:59 AM PST by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: Zakeet; goldstategop; calcowgirl
Some political hack just unilaterially halted all executions in CA by himself because HE personally feels they're "cruel and unusual". Hmmmm.

If I didn't know better, I'd say some RINOs in California took my advice and imported "electable moderate" George H. Ryan after all. Perhaps ol' George changed his name. Being pro-criminal is one of those surprises "electable moderates" typically don't tell you about until they're in office.

We'll know for certain if this judge follows it up by unilaterally raising state "fees" in California and orders the General Assembly into "special session" indefinitely until they pass more "reasonable" gun control" laws.

Don't laugh. The REAL George Ryan actually did all this stuff during his tenure: halted all executions with a stroke of the pen, jacked up everyone's taxes under the guise of higher "fee" increases to pay for education, and held the legislature hostage til he got them to punish gun owners.

It doesn't matter though, cuz he was ELECTABLE!

37 posted on 12/17/2006 7:51:48 PM PST by BillyBoy (Don't blame Illinois for Pelosi -- we elected ROSKAM)
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To: Texasforever
you got that right...!

"... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one MAKES them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. ......just pass the the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted -- and you create a nation of law-breakers -- and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with."- p.411, Ayn Rand, ATLAS SHRUGGED, Signet Books, NY, 1957 "...

fullyinformedjuries

38 posted on 12/18/2006 2:04:03 PM PST by Rakkasan1 ((Illegal immigrants are just undocumented friends you haven't met yet!))
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