Posted on 12/15/2006 6:32:58 AM PST by Atlantic Bridge
German kids like their sex. A survey of European teen sex habits has found that only pubescents from Iceland are quicker to jump in the sack. But when it comes to safety, the Dutch are tops.
The casual observer in Germany might be forgiven for thinking the Germans are oversexed. Pornographic cinemas and blush-inducing sex shops are a familiar part of the urban landscape, while exposed breasts are a common sight on advertising billboards and magazine covers.
With all that stimulating material around, it's not surprising that young Germans apparently have sex on the brain. A newly-released World Health Organization (WHO) report on sexual habits among teenagers in 26 European countries reveals that German teens are quick off the mark when it comes to losing their cherry; the average age at which Germans -- both boys and girls -- first have sex is 16.2.
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(Excerpt) Read more at spiegel.de ...
I presume an EU directive will legalise gay marriage sooner or later.....
You wrote: "In America there is at least a resistence to the black plague sweeping our free societies out of exsistence."
I disagree.
America has, by far, the most liberal abortion laws in the Western world. And it has, by far, the most abortions to show for it.
My point in bringing up slavery and the butchery of the Indians, and 38 million dead babies (and counting) in the United States was to cut off at the knees the ridiculous argument that America is "more moral" than Europe.
It is not true and it never has been true.
Both places have very black history.
Humans everywhere have very black history.
It is human nature to pitch headlong into evil whenever it gets the chance.
America is more prosperous and more powerful than Europe.
This is the reward of superior American financial and military acumen. It is not a reward for superior American morality. America's morality, as a nation, is just as hellishly black - every bit as black - as any nation's in Europe, Germany included.
My points were broad brush, and aimed at an equally broad brush claim of American national moral superiority. That was the point of the post. It was not to say "America: bad" on its own. It was to in response to "Europe: bad; America:good." No. Europe: bad. America: bad. Mankind: bad. Needing redemption.
38 million dead babies since 1973.
Genocide.
It's like those idiots who bash the British wrt Northern Ireland, they don't look in the mirror to see what America did to the Indians!
We have no disagreement here. Individual sin casts a pall on us all as well as the nations we inhabit. We are all sinners, every one of us. And even those of us who are redeemed through Christ's blood still sin. It is the tragedy of mankind through the ages, the tragedy of our sin natures which Christ came to save us from and a process which only He could envision or perform to perfection.
A nasty problem arises when we ourselves decide sin of some sort is a preferred course of affairs and deign to promote it as something desirable rather than to be resisted and repented of - for our own good as well as that of our society.
That is part of what this original discussion is about - the acceptance of sexual sin which should be neither promoted nor accepted just because it exists in our behavior and we happen to imagine it our right to enjoy it without consequence.
Sin is a cruel master and it is not wise to allow it to have it's way in our young and vulnerable if we can at all help prevent it. We can guide our young and promote the wisdom and strength to avoid it. We ultimately will not be able to completely stop it, but we may be able to ameliorate some of it's effects on their lives, or at least many of them. (see my tagline)
We agree.
God bless you.
Joyeux Noel.
That dissolves the meaning of the word. A quick look at the thesaurus links "sacred" with "consecrated, cherished, set aside for an elevated purpose, guarded, inviolable." Antonyms include "irreverent, secular, profane, degraded, unconsecrated."
Human nakedness is strongly laden with meanings: on the one hand, privacy, intimate knowing, trust. The mother nursing her baby, the lover and the beloved, the joys of the marriage bed.
On the other hand, without the privacy and the intimacy, nakedness is linked to depersonalization, shame, degradation. Date rape, the brothel, the slave auction, Auschwitz.
Do you think a man would see his mother's, wife's, or daughter's nakedness plastered up on a billboard as "consecrated, guarded, inviolable"? Permit me to say I doubt it.
Well, I suppose you could eventually get to the point where none of it means anything. No height, no depth, no heaven. Hell? Yes, if after you get past the heat, hell ends in cold.
Voluntary genocide?
Sui-genocide. Or geno-suicide.
Frohe Weihnachten!
There is a good one for you. Many Americans think a mother nursing her baby in public is completely inappropriate for the same reason they object to breasts on billboards. Germans consider it natural, and to object is obscene because you are seen as interfering with one of the most basic, wholesome, natural acts. To object to the billboard, you are a prude who can't appreciate the fine form of the human body (or, for the religious, appreciate God's finest creation).
I don't think you're right about that. I never met anybody who objected to me nursing my baby in public, and I nursed everwhere: airports and airplanes, churches, park benches, restaurants, and once on a lecture platform seated next to a Catholic bishop!
Even here in FR, where there's usually a huge volley back and forth in breastfeeding threads, the majority of us agree that public breastfeeding is fine, as long as the mother doesn't turn breast-baring into a public statement.
(And BTW, on such threads I'm always a vocal breastfeeding advocate... check it out if you like!)
Germans consider it natural...and to object is obscene because you are seen as interfering with one of the most basic, wholesome, natural acts.
OK, then! Your kind of Germans are my kind of Germans! ;o)
To object to the billboard, you are a prude who can't appreciate the fine form of the human body (or, for the religious, appreciate God's finest creation).
Oh, come on. I don't think we're talking about classical Aphrodite, with or without nightie, which you can see in public buildings and parks and such all over America; nor are we talking about sacred images of Blessed Mary nursing the Christ Child.
I suspect it's commercial slutty shots to sell clothes, beach resorts and beer. And ubiquitous commercialized nipple and crotch-shots are something we can do without.
I re-assert what I said before: streetcorner display of female nudity doesn't translate into a sense of reverence for sexual wholeness. If it did, you'd have a lot more marriages and a lot more kids. Because marriage and kids are the results of whole and wholesome sex: sex with its bonding energy uninhibited and its lifegiving power full-strength and unashamed.
Neither is right, neither is wrong; let's keep our cultures and societies the way they are, otherwise we lose our very identities.
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Yep! And let people keep continuing to vote with their feet!
It is a challenge, that's for sure. Even the homeschoolers in my area tend to be far left-leaning Michael-Moore types. I'm surrounded. But I wouldn't fit in perfectly anywhere else, either. :-)
The article you cited assured adults that 95% of the girls use birth control. I find this horrifying. That means that 5% of the girls didn't. If they weren't protected from pregnancy, then they sure weren't protected form disease.
A typical teen is NOT ready to deal with the physical and emotional ramifications of sex. Period. The boys are too hormone-driven to protect themselves and their partners from premature pregnancy and disease. The girls are naive and believe they can share their bodies with men and not eventually suffer an emotional back-lash.
I seriously do NOT wish to offend, but many Americans think of Europeans as lax parents who either don’t care about their children or are too weak to do anything about their concerns. I think the differences in parenting styles come from differing views of children. Americans typically do not see children as equal with adults when it comes to reasoning and self-control. It seems to me that Europeans give children more credit.
As my mom always says, “The proof is in the pudding.” We’ll see which view was correct in a few generations.
I would agree. What we're trying to do over here is use the power of peer pressure in a good way.
I do believe it's the choice of the teen to participate in these groups, not the adults. I would never deliberately humiliate my children. But if my daughter chooses to make a public pledge on her own, I'll support her. And if she's uncomfortable with it, I'll support her modesty.
(Knowing my girl, she'll probably slap a home-made bumper sticker on her notebook blazed with, "The Price of My Body = one ring, your fidelity, all your money, your heart and half your soul. No negotiations. If interested please call... Prospective suiters will be screened for compatibility."
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