My point in bringing up slavery and the butchery of the Indians, and 38 million dead babies (and counting) in the United States was to cut off at the knees the ridiculous argument that America is "more moral" than Europe.
It is not true and it never has been true.
Both places have very black history.
Humans everywhere have very black history.
It is human nature to pitch headlong into evil whenever it gets the chance.
America is more prosperous and more powerful than Europe.
This is the reward of superior American financial and military acumen. It is not a reward for superior American morality. America's morality, as a nation, is just as hellishly black - every bit as black - as any nation's in Europe, Germany included.
My points were broad brush, and aimed at an equally broad brush claim of American national moral superiority. That was the point of the post. It was not to say "America: bad" on its own. It was to in response to "Europe: bad; America:good." No. Europe: bad. America: bad. Mankind: bad. Needing redemption.
It's like those idiots who bash the British wrt Northern Ireland, they don't look in the mirror to see what America did to the Indians!
We have no disagreement here. Individual sin casts a pall on us all as well as the nations we inhabit. We are all sinners, every one of us. And even those of us who are redeemed through Christ's blood still sin. It is the tragedy of mankind through the ages, the tragedy of our sin natures which Christ came to save us from and a process which only He could envision or perform to perfection.
A nasty problem arises when we ourselves decide sin of some sort is a preferred course of affairs and deign to promote it as something desirable rather than to be resisted and repented of - for our own good as well as that of our society.
That is part of what this original discussion is about - the acceptance of sexual sin which should be neither promoted nor accepted just because it exists in our behavior and we happen to imagine it our right to enjoy it without consequence.
Sin is a cruel master and it is not wise to allow it to have it's way in our young and vulnerable if we can at all help prevent it. We can guide our young and promote the wisdom and strength to avoid it. We ultimately will not be able to completely stop it, but we may be able to ameliorate some of it's effects on their lives, or at least many of them. (see my tagline)
I agree with you fully on the blackness of American AND Europe. We in the USA, having murdered just today, for example, 4,000 infants in abortion...and upwards of 45,000,000 total, have no leg to stand on calling Europeans more immoral.
It's a little known fact too, that the abortion rate in the USA (1/4 to 1/3 of all pregancies are aborted here!) is FAR higher than any western European country (Eastern Europe and Russia is a different story). Germany for example I believe has a 1/10 abortion rate.
Americans are definitely more outwardly religious at this time...but in my opinion this is all the more damning, for the hypocrisy of our evil. Our religiousity and concomitant self-righteousness is one thing that drives Europeans crazy too...both sides of the Atlantic have secular values, just the Europeans are more honest about it!
Who will God judge more severely...the religious with secular selfish lifestyles, or those who have never heard sound Christian teaching? Maybe I'm sounding like an Old Testament prophet, but America is storing up her share of wrath in heaven...and it won't rest there forever.