Posted on 12/15/2006 6:32:58 AM PST by Atlantic Bridge
German kids like their sex. A survey of European teen sex habits has found that only pubescents from Iceland are quicker to jump in the sack. But when it comes to safety, the Dutch are tops.
The casual observer in Germany might be forgiven for thinking the Germans are oversexed. Pornographic cinemas and blush-inducing sex shops are a familiar part of the urban landscape, while exposed breasts are a common sight on advertising billboards and magazine covers.
With all that stimulating material around, it's not surprising that young Germans apparently have sex on the brain. A newly-released World Health Organization (WHO) report on sexual habits among teenagers in 26 European countries reveals that German teens are quick off the mark when it comes to losing their cherry; the average age at which Germans -- both boys and girls -- first have sex is 16.2.
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You spoke elsewhere on this thread of Europeans having a well-founded fear of the Muslim threat. Sine the demographic information is related to that, I thought it might well be interesting to you.
"the fertility rate of rate of non-Hispanic White, American women is very close to 2.0"
Even if that were so, it's still dying out.
Fertility rates have to be 2.1 to sustain the population.
American whites and French whites have about the same fertility rate. The Irish have higher than both.
The thread asserts over and over again that Europe is dying but America is surging. That is not true. LATIN America is surging.
A previous poster suggested that this makes no difference, which kind of American is growing. Remember that Latino birth rates are driven by illegal immigration. Does THAT fact make a difference?
I suppose the silver lining for America in all of this is that Latinos are generally pro-life.
Do Europeans have anything to teach us about preserving values? There is something to be said for your point of view, but at least as much to be said for the viewpoint of sexually conservative Americans. Sharing your perspective is fine, but talking down to Americans for having higher standards isn't.
"Abortion's numbers worldwide are even higher."
(1) So what? 36 million dead babies here is bad enough.
(2) Abortion rates in Western Europe are much lower than in the US, and abortion is far more restricted there than here.
I have two daughters and a son, and it is my sincere hope that all of them make committments to sexual chastity until marriage, either in public or in private. As a Christian I believe that the only responsible sex is between a man and wife. And, incidentally, it's also the best! Woo-hoo!
Mexicans will be the moral salvation of America.
Abortion is a stain on the American national soul that is as black as hell.
It will be Latino Catholics who pull us out of the culture of death. Of course, we'll end up with Christian Democracy (i.e. churchy socialism), but we will have ended the holocaust of the innocent.
A pity that Republicans, when they had power, would not use the full power of their offices to protect life. But they didn't.
Not the German churches, and I've been in a lot of them.
You use it sacredly, or you leave it alone.
Yet Germans do not see breasts on a billboard as non-sacred.
This is an illusion. The abortion policy of the Democratic party will continue to be driven by liberal extremists of all races, and a large majority of Hispanics will continue to support the Democratic party. Just because people are incompletely propagandized by feminism and nihilism, and therefore have the natural human opposition to abortion, doesn't mean they're social conservatives in a general sense. (Look at all the illegitimacy among American, and Mexican, Hispanics.) And even social conservatives often support social liberals, either because economics or race is more important to them, or because they're clueless.
The US as currently constituted cannot defeat Islamofascism, but the Devil is not going to conquer God's world. Latin Catholics are replacing the Americans, depleted by the culture of death, in this good soil, and the reconstituted, more Catholic, more-Latin, more holy America will be able to face down the Islamofascists.
For if Islamics are as fecund as faithful Catholics - and they ARE - that is the end of the parity. Catholics can do more than breed and feed ravening masses of fanatics. They can discover science and art, and have systems of law and civil society, and male and female equality. One huge difference between any Islamic country and any comparably-sized Catholic country is that the Catholics have TWEICE as many brains working peacefully on any problem as the Muslims do. They keep their women as sexual livestock. Catholic women are the intellectual and legal equals of men. So, a population of 30 million has 20 million active adults in a Catholic country, but only 10 million in a Muslim country.
The content of the religion matters too.
Of course, content won't save you (voir, secularism or decaying "mainstream" Protestantism) if you contracept and abort your future away.
My language is direct. It is not intended to shock. I am not being purposefully prurient. I am telling the truth, and doing so in a way that doesn't take a respectful bow to pretence of bullshit.
Back when Ireland was Catholic, their attitudes towards sex was more Puritanical than the USA. That wasn't long ago and they were members of the EU then too!
Where do you get your stats?
According to the CIA factbook, France shows 1.84 children born/woman (2006 est.) & the stat given is for the total population, not just French whites. Ireland shows 1.86 children born/woman (2006 est.). US rate is shown at 2.09 children born/woman (2006 est.) & again, it's for the whole population.
Of the three, Ireland has the highest immigration rate at 4.87 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2006 est.), then the US at 3.18 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2006 est.) & finally France at 0.66 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2006 est.)
Slavery was abolished in 1865, but American apartheid was not abolished until 1964.
The reason there weren't as many Indian dead as European dead in the World Wars is because there weren't as many Indians.
Not true. Millions of Indians died from "European" diseases, not a policy of genocide. Many, many others assimilated into the new culture, became Christians and settled down into more "civilized" pursuits with the same rule of law and rights as other Americans rather than continue the "old" ways - ways which also consisted often of constant tribal warfare which racked most of the old Indian societies.
The Cherokee Trail of Tears was genocide, pure and simple.
This was a lamentable atrocity but much more the exception than the rule. Indian and Western cultures could not mix and one had to win out - just as Western and Muslim cultures must have one which eventually prevails (a contest I would be more exercised about, if I were you).
Slavery was a legacy of the colonial past,...
Although true, slavery was not at all unique to America. The American Indians themselves had slaves. Slavery was a worldwide, ages old phenomenon eventually eradicated in most of the West through Christian agitation and Western political action - and in the case of the United States, a bloody Civil War.
... (slavery) which the US was perfectly willing to accept and exploit for four score and nine years,
Slavery was a compromise done to facilitate the founding of this country and done so only because it was a fait accompli in certain areas, not because it was deemed desirable by all - or even most. It was anticipated by many it would eventually disappear peacefully. The continuation and spread of slavery (some other factors, too, but slavery as an institution was one of the most notable) eventually led to attempts at secession from the American Union by most slave-holding States. That failed and slavery was immediately and universally abolished.
...and then to maintain apartheid for another hundred. THAT was not the fault of the British. It was homegrown American evil, pur et dur.
That was an outgrowth of political and cultural reaction by "losing" elements of the Civil War and it's carpetbagger aftermath. The defeated side was embodied by the Democrats who took over the reins of political power in the 1880s and instituted racial segregation locally, after the Union Occupation ended. This eventually ended peacefully and through the rule of law. America as a whole always resisted this evil, even from her founding.
If you want to start complaining about slave-holding societies and "evil", I suggest you start complaining about the Islamic societies still stuck in the Dark Ages, trying to bring modern day slavery to us!
It is not really confusing.
What do all Latinos share in common?
(1) Catholicism. Unless they have been Americanized into evangelical churches, which perhaps 10% have. But an almost superstitious Catholic Christiniaty is a hallmark of Latinos, and not the rest of Americans, including Irish, Italian and Polish Catholics. Latin Catholicism is of a different order. The Virgin of Guadelupe. Non-Latin Catholics perhaps know a detail or two. Latinos, even mis-behaving gang members, tattoo her on their back. Latin Catholicism reigns and rules the Latin heart.
(2) Iberian language. Yes, Brazilians speak Portuguese, so there is a slight wrinkle in the linguistic monotony of Latin America. However, most Latinos in the US come from Mexico and Central America and Cuba, and Puerto Rico. They are Spanish-Speaking Catholics.
(3) Amerindian heritage. Most Latinos are perfectly aware that they are Indian in origin. Mestizo, perhaps, but Indian nevertheless. They have the same sense of ENTITLEMENT to this land, all of it, all of the land of the Virgin of Guadelupe (who is the patroness of ALL of the Americas, including North America) that Amerindians within the US borders have. "Your ancestors came over on the Mayflower? Well, mine were here to greet them."
(4) Matriarchal property lines and family structures. Anglo-Saxon and German and Italian and Dutch and Polish Europe...all the places whence white Americans came...are all patriarchal and now, atomized. Latino families have always been community property places, all of them. Women have been equally vested in property since the Spanish first came, and before that, as among Amerindians everywhere, the family was centered around the female. One reason that Latinas tend to have children conceived out of wedlock is the great Latina family network that makes it relatively easy to raise another kid among aunts and cousinas, etc. Amerindians, though poor, mostly hate abortion, and it's not Christian either, necessarily. It's cultural to Amerindians, and reinforced by Catholicism.
Males are macho and even warlike and aggressive, but the female usually holds the property and the money. Women have always outlived men, and in community property lands, which all of Hispania America was, that meant widows with land. Read Dana's account of Mexican California circa 1835.
Those are very distinct cultural differences from the American mainstream, and they form a culture at least as old, and just as tough, as mainstream America. Latin Americans are distinct.
Cherokee Trail of Tears? Genocide? Words have meanings. "Genocide is generally considered one of the worst moral crimes a government (meaning any ruling authority, including that of a guerrilla group, a quasi state, a Soviet, a terrorist organization, or an occupation authority) can commit against its citizens or those it controls. The major reason for this is what the world learned about the Holocaust, the systematic attempt of German authorities during World War II to kill all and every Jew no matter where found-to destroy Jews as a group. This murder of between 5 to 6 million Jews became the paradigm case of genocide and underlies the word's origin."
It was an intentional death march, carried out by the United States Army, under the orders of the President of the United States, in the dead of winter, with the foreknowledge of the conditions and callous disregard (at BEST) for the certitude of a massive death toll among children, the ill and the ages.
Was the Bataan Death March genocide? The Irish Potato Famine?
" Fifteen thousand captives still awaited removal. Crowding, poor sanitation, and drought made them miserable. Many died. The Cherokees asked to postpone removal until the fall, and to voluntarily remove themselves. The delay was granted, provided they remain in internment camps until travel resumed.
By November, 12 groups of 1,000 each were trudging 800 miles overland to the west. The last party, including Chief Ross, went by water. Now, heavy autumn rains and hundreds of wagons on the muddy route made roads impassable; little grazing and game could be found to supplement meager rations
By March 1839, all survivors had arrived in the west. No one knows how many died throughout the ordeal, but the trip was especially hard on infants, children, and the elderly. Missionary doctor Elizur Butler, who accompanied the Cherokees, estimated that over 4,000 died--nearly a fifth of the Cherokee population.
This is genocide? On the scale of the Holocaust? 4000 deaths? Who murdered them? There is no doubt that the native Americans were displaced by the European settlers. Atrocities were committed on both sides, but such incidents are not unusual from an historical standpoint regardless of where it took place. The Europeans did it in Africa and Asia on a much grander scale.
Slavery was a legacy of the colonial past, which the US was perfectly willing to accept and exploit for four score and nine years, and then to maintain apartheid for another hundred. THAT was not the fault of the British. It was homegrown American evil, pur et dur.
Slavery was abolished in many states before the civil war. There were approximately 600,000 deaths in the civil war and 400,000 wounded. Only WWII casualty figures exceeded those of the civil war and just barely. Property damage was immense. I don't know how that demonstrates a willingess to accept slavery.
Segregation does not equate to apartheid. De jure segregation was not practiced in most states. I have lived a total of 25 years in 9 different countries and travelled to 55 more. The US is the most tolerant country on the planet and no country has a population as diverse. We are not perfect, but America has done a better job of assimilating its many immigrants than any country on earth.
We have some in Austin, Houston, and Dallas that would feel right at home in Paris or Montreal, but they aren't the majority. I'll try not to paint with such a broad brush, but better yet, why don't you move out of there and protect your sanity. My personality doesn't mind being the only maverick in the room, but it would get tedious day after day, year after year. Plus I just talk so long and then poke them in the nose. I have a line that moves around depending on the subject, and when crossed, I'm though talking. If I lived in Massachusetts, I would probably end up in jail for assault.
Rebels are cool in high school. One of the reasons why this sort of works here is because our educational establishment is mind-numbingly anti-Christian and seeks to undermine traditional values every chance it gets it seems. Kids doing this are being rather anti-authoritarian. Also, a lot of what was and, I suspect, is pushed in our schools has proven to be indisputably destructive so there the respect they gain from peers by "speaking truth to power"
Always good to hear from you AB.
You wrote: "OK, I lied above: I do know what drives Europeans nuts. It's the religious aspect of our view of sex. Any mention of religion sends Europeans/liberals into fits."
Honestly, that's not it.
Europeans don't go into fits about American this or American that. Europeans think about Americans about as much as Americans think about Europeans or either think about Chinese, which is to say: not much.
It's only in the context of a discussion like this one that Europeans get to thinking about Americans and America, and vice versa.
Religion does not drive Europeans nuts. Most Europeans are baptized, and the churches are around everywhere. Everybody knows the old church is there, at the heart of the culture. Most Europeans don't really believe that the old belief is TRUE, but they neither fear it nor resent it. It's part of the culture, and it is generally protected too. The great cathedrals, et al, are usually maintained by state money, even in "secular" France.
Europeans do not go into conniptions over religion or religiosity. They are not afraid of it, and not sensitive about it. There are still crucifixes on the walls of public schools all over Italy. Once in awhile some politician will grumble. It's Americans who go ape shit over this stuff, one way or the other.
What Europeans get in a fit about is supercilious American presumptions of moral superiority. Read up the thread, and you will see it starts almost at once. Americans assume not just economic superiority and scientific superiority, which in some cases is true (and in other cases is not), but they assume that they have a MORAL superiority, and indeed that American wealth and scientific and military prowess are based on this American moral superiority.
Americans are in no sense whatsoever, either as individuals or certainly as a NATION morally superior to Europeans. American history is black as hell, just like European history is. There is no moral superiority in what Americans have done over what Europeans have done. America does enjoy very great propserity and power, and this is due to American business acumen and organizational genius, and good geographic fortune too. It is not related to superior American national morality, because America is not morally superior.
But Americans often insist on asserting a national moral superiority - look up the thread and you will see it in full cry. It is preposterous and annoying, and Europeans jab at it when they see it. This tends to enrage the Americans who really believe in their national moral superiority, and it isn't long before the goosestepping Nazis are invoked as proof of something.
To which the response is 38 million aborted babies in America.
MEXICO is morally superior to America in THAT regard.
This situation is going to change rapidly now that a new religious order is taking over in Europe. By 2020 Europeans will be looking enviously at the "oversexed" Americans as polygamy assures that while high-status men get extra wives, men of hoi polloi will be a "bachelor herd" who will have to resign themselves to never Getting Any.
Interesting point. And when people like this represent the demographic majority in the US, estimated to be about 2050, who will the world's liberals blame evil on? Will Asians get the nomination?
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