Posted on 12/14/2006 3:15:09 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
Harare, Zimbabwe (AHN) - Zimbabwe will not turn over former Former Former Ethiopian dictator Mengistu Haile Miriam, despite his conviction of genocide.
William Nhara, a spokesperson for President Robert Mugabe's government, says, "As a comrade of our struggle, Comrade Mengistu and his government played a key and commendable role during our struggle for independence and no one can dispute that."
"The judgment is an Ethiopian judgment and will not affect his status in Zimbabwe. As far as we know there is no extradition treaty between Harare and Addis Ababa."
Mengistu, who has been living in exile in Zimbabwe since he fell from power in 1991, was convicted of charges ranging from genocide, to imprisonment, homicide, and illegal confiscation of property.
Ethiopia's Federal High Court convicted Mengistu and 71 other defendants for their parts in the "Red Terror." According to the U.S. government, "The enormity of government-sponsored operations against suspected political opponents during the 'Red Terror' has defied accurate analysis and has made attempts at quantification of casualties irrelevant."
"Sources estimated that, during 1977-78, about 30,000 people had perished as a result of the Red Terror and harsh conditions in prisons, kebele jails, and concentration camps."
The Nazis' reasoning was similar. I see the connection is more than coincidental.
In current parlance, "concentration camp" is the same as a "death camp". I'm certain you know that well enough. An "internment camp" is entirely different.
Apparently, the "current parlance" is not as unanimous as you think.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentration_camp
In any case, that's splitting hairs. You want to imprison Americans based on their religion and/or ethnicity. You have done nothing to earn our trust that you won't want to escalate your concentration camps into extermination camps. And, most tellingly, you've never denounced the idea. The silence is deafening.
Somebody who defends Nazis implicitly supports their actions. Somebody who defends Communists implicitly supports their mass-murdering ways. And anyone who defends Islam implicitly buys into what Islam preaches:
Notes on Islam
The main sources of Islamic scripture is the Qu'ran (which ranks first) and the Sunnah
According to the website of the Muslim Students Association:
In Islam, the Arabic word sunnah has come to denote the way Prophet Muhammad (saas), the Messenger of Allah, lived his life. The Sunnah is the second source of Islamic jurisprudence, the first being the Qur'an. Both sources are indispensable; one cannot practice Islam without consulting both of them. The Arabic word hadith (pl. ahadith) is very similar to Sunnah, but not identical. A hadith is a narration about the life of the Prophet (saas) or what he approved - as opposed to his life itself, which is the Sunnah as already mentioned.From my copy of the Koran:
Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day ... until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low
Surah IX:29O ye who believe! Choose not for friends such of those who received the Scriptures before you
Surah V:57Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them captive, and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush...
Surah IX:5And slay them wherever ye find them ... Such is the reward of disbelievers.
Surah II:191
The following are quoted directly from the Hadith
Selections from the Hadith
Entrance into Heaven:
From Understanding Islam, page 2: "no one however devout and pious, can be sure of winning God's favor."On the Islamic "Last Days":There is one, and exactly one, exception: Hadith Volume 4, Book 53, Number 352:
Narrated Abu Huraira:Note the bolded part above in hadith 352. The one and only guaranteed way into Muslim paradise is to be killed while fighting in Jihad.Allah's Apostle said, "Allah guarantees him who strives in His Cause and whose motivation for going out is nothing but Jihad in His Cause and belief in His Word, that He will admit him into Paradise (if martyred) or bring him back to his dwelling place, whence he has come out, with what he gains of reward and booty."The Hadith Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176:On "collateral damage" (killing noncombatants)Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:The Hadith Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177:Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "
Narrated Abu Huraira:Allah's Apostle said, "The (Final) Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 256:On Treatment of Those Who Try to Leave IslamNarrated As-Sab bin Jaththama:Volume 4, Book 52, Number 196:The Prophet passed by me at a place called Al-Abwa or Waddan, and was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)." I also heard the Prophet saying, "The institution of Hima [sanctuary; inviolate zone] is invalid except for Allah and His Apostle."
[ translation: the women and children of infidels are acceptable "collateral damage". A Muslim has no need to avoid killing them while attacking infidels (as the Palestinian suicide bombers demonstrate repeatedly) ]
Narrated Abu Huraira:Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' and whoever says, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' his life and property will be saved by me except for Islamic law, and his accounts will be with Allah, (either to punish him or to forgive him.)"
Treatment of a Jew who converted to Islam and left Islam to go back to Judaism Hadith Volume 9, Book 84, Number 58:Narrated Abu Burda:Abu Musa said, "I came to the Prophet along with two men (from the tribe) of Ash'ariyin, one on my right and the other on my left, while Allah's Apostle was brushing his teeth (with a Siwak), and both men asked him for some employment. The Prophet said, 'O Abu Musa (O 'Abdullah bin Qais!).' I said, 'By Him Who sent you with the Truth, these two men did not tell me what was in their hearts and I did not feel (realize) that they were seeking employment.' As if I were looking now at his Siwak being drawn to a corner under his lips, and he said, 'We never (or, we do not) appoint for our affairs anyone who seeks to be employed. But O Abu Musa! (or 'Abdullah bin Qais!) Go to Yemen.'" The Prophet then sent Mu'adh bin Jabal after him and when Mu'adh reached him, he spread out a cushion for him and requested him to get down (and sit on the cushion). Behold: There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu'adh asked, "Who is this (man)?" Abu Muisa said, "He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism." Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said, "I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice. Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, "Then we discussed the night prayers and one of us said, 'I pray and sleep, and I hope that Allah will reward me for my sleep as well as for my prayers.'"Mohammod on Prostitution:
Hadith Volume 6, Book 60, Number 139:On Punishment for Killing non-MuslimsNarrated Abdullah:We used to participate in the holy wars carried on by the Prophet and we had no women (wives) with us. So we said (to the Prophet ). "Shall we castrate ourselves?" But the Prophet forbade us to do that and thenceforth he allowed us to marry a woman (temporarily) by giving her even a garment, and then he recited: "O you who believe! Do not make unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you."Hadith Volume 1, Book 3, Number 111:On Mohammod's Having Sex With a Nine Year Old GirlNarrated Ash-Sha'bi:Abu Juhaifa said, "I asked Ali, 'Have you got any book (which has been revealed to the Prophet apart from the Qur'an)?' 'Ali replied, 'No, except Allah's Book or the power of understanding which has been bestowed (by Allah) upon a Muslim or what is (written) in this sheet of paper (with me).' Abu Juhaifa said, "I asked, 'What is (written) in this sheet of paper?' Ali replied, it deals with The Diyya (compensation (blood money) paid by the killer to the relatives of the victim), the ransom for the releasing of the captives from the hands of the enemies, and the law that no Muslim should be killed in Qisas (equality in punishment) for the killing of (a disbeliever).He marries his six year old niece Aisha and has sex with her when she turns nine Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64:Narrated 'Aisha:Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65: Narrated 'Aisha:that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)'Volume 7, Book 62, Number 18:Narrated 'Ursa:Volume 8, Book 73, Number 151:The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry."Narrated 'Aisha:I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13)On Islamic Paradise
From the Qu'ran, Chapter 52, "The Mounting"Lo! those who kept their duty dwell in gardens and delight,[I'm guessing that all needs and desires will be satisfied, one way or another]
Happy because of what their Lord hath given them, and (because) their Lord hath warded off from them the torment of hell-fire.
(And it is said unto them): Eat and drink in health (as a reward) for what ye used to do,
They will recline (with ease) on Thrones (of dignity) arranged in ranks; and We shall join them to Companions, with beautiful big and lustrous eyes.
... Round about them will serve, (devoted) to them, young male servants (handsome) as Pearls well-guarded.
They will advance to each other, engaging in mutual enquiry.
So someone (you) who defends an advocate of concentration camps (EnochPowellWasRight) implicitly supports concentration camps, right?
There is a "significant difference" between "reasoning" and "goals". I said that you and the Nazis use similar reasoning to justify your concentration camps -- a charge you seem to accept, given your unwillingness to either retract your words or attempt to refute me.
Oh, "Wiki" as a source. LOL.
As a source for "current parlance", it's pretty good. And that is how I used it. Mind you, you don't cite any sources when you say "the vast majority of Americans agree with me" and other claptrap.
Who is this "we" in your "our" here? Regardless, Muslims have done NOTHING to earn OUR trust that they don't intend to destroy this country by driving it under the boot of Islam.
"We" are Americans and I'll repeat again, you have done nothing to earn our trust.
So does Michelle Malkin, by the way. So did the USSC once upon a time. You intern enemy aliens and their allies (by their identification with the Ummah first, they are alien to us) until the war is over.
If you have information revealing enemy aliens and their plans, please contact the FBI. What we are talking about here is the internment of innocent Americans based on nothing more than the fact that you find their ethnic and/or religious background to be unpalatable.
What is deafening is the lack of support for your view on FR.
Oh, "FR general opinion" as a source. LOL. How is that any different than Wikipedia?
Every other nation at war sends its people to concentration camps based on their ethnic and/or religious background? You sources, please?
There was a recent study that indicated that half the population want mosques infiltrated and monitored.
We can all make up statistics. You, however, have not earned this country's trust. You will have to cite facts.
Civilized society finds the political goals unpalatable. Just as THEY find the Constitution unpalatable and seek to overthrow it.
If you have evidence that THEY are working to overthrow our Constitution, please provide it to the authorities.
*I* am not a member of an extra-national organization seeking to overthrow not only this country but all other Infidel nations.
Then, pray tell, if you are so American, why is your screenname in homage to a foreign politician who is the darling of the (racist) British Nationalist Party? I'd say you have "divided loyalties" at least.
I hope you see the irony of your defense of concentration camps on a thread about Mengistu's genocide conviction.
Every civilized nation does so after a demonstration of guilt or probable cause that goes beyond the skin color, facial characteristics, or prayer books of the accused.
Considering this is several years old and Islam has shown itself for what it is more clearly, I'd imagine the percentage is higher than 44%.
The report you cited does not mention anything about "indicat[ing] that half the population want mosques infiltrated and monitored" as you claim in #66. Rather, the numbers break down like this, with the percentages indicating percentage of respondents agreeing with the statements below:
All Muslim Americans should be required to register their whereabouts with the federal government: 27
Mosques should be closely monitored and surveilled by U.S. law enforcement agencies: 26
U.S. government agencies should profile citizens as potential threats based on being Muslim or having Middle Eastern heritage: 22
Muslim civic and volunteer organizations should be infiltrated by undercover law enforcement agents to keep watch on their activities and fundraising: 29
And while a concentration camp interning people beased on their religious and/or ethnic background (like you support) would seemingly require the general public to support all 4 of these statements and then some, only 9% of the respondents supported all four statements. Hardly the great national majority you wax on and on about.
This is one of the reasons why you don't cite your sources, I suppose.
Pretty damn arrogant of you to claim to represent the country absent any evidence. ESPECIALLY when your opinion just happens to provide cover for the very people who want to END my country.
Between the two of us, only one has advocated concentration camps for Americans, and it wasn't me. Doesn't put you in a good position to claim to speak for our country, Enoch.
Their entire political movement is working to overthrow the Constitution.
See above.
I already know where your loyalties lie, as you stand up to be counted with my country's enemies.
I'll limit my support for British racists to instances when they support America in policy issues defined by real Americans. I'll let you know when we'll meet with you.
Concentration camps facilitate genocide. I suspect that's why you support them, even if you play coy and act nearly-Constitutional at this point in history.
"Concentration camps facilitate genocide." Why did we not kill those interned during WWII then?
Racism? And I'll remind you that not only first generation immigrants and naturalized citizens that were interned, but Nissei and Sansei as well. Why is that?
Actually, that's not what Cornell's executive summary indicates. What it does indicate is that half the country wants Muslim "rights" curtailed in some manner - that half the country doesn't trust Muslims and Islam.
The study you cited indicates that less than 10% of those surveyed agree with a considerable milder restriction of civil liberties than your concentration camp scheme holds.
I advocate survival for my nation and civilization.
You want to concentration camps for Americans whose only "crime" is an ethnic and/or religious background that you find objectionable. That sounds more like ethnic cleansing than national survival.
I see you parrot liberal opinion of Powell. Typical.
Funny that you don't denounce the racist (and foreign nationalist) BNP that claims him as their intellectual father. The silence is deafening.
I am a real American, "zimdog".
The Rosenbergs' defense as well. You're free to stew in your vicious dreams of "purifying" America, as long as you don't act on them.
I doubt you are. You are here on a student visa, right? From what Muslim country? If not, you're a dhimmi whether you know what that word means or not.
A great thing about a free country like ours is that fools like you are free to openly declare what fools they are.
Because it would be genocide.
My point was that the concentration camps make genocide easier, not inevitable.
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