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To: zimdog
"Racism? And I'll remind you that not only first generation immigrants and naturalized citizens that were interned, but Nissei and Sansei as well. Why is that?"

Intelligence indicated that they were a risk near our critical industrial centers, due to the efforts the Japanese Empire had made to encourage the loyalty of ex-pats AND ethnic Japanese people to the home country. American-Japanese at the time understood the necessity for this and volunteered in fairly large numbers to serve in the European Theater - with some distinction - to PROVE THEIR LOYALTY. Compare then to now.... Same situation, but the group in question makes no effort to prove their loyalty.

"The study you cited indicates that less than 10% of those surveyed agree with a considerable milder restriction of civil liberties than your concentration camp scheme holds. "

I didn't say that half the country - in this study - wants internment, but that half the country wants some civil liberties restrictions on Muslims.


"You want to concentration camps for Americans whose only "crime" is an ethnic and/or religious background that you find objectionable. That sounds more like ethnic cleansing than national survival. "

There's nothing "ethnic" about this and there's nothing particularly "religious" about the goal of Islam. If anything, I would trust converts like Ellison even less than I'd trust someone who grew up with it. In fact, FAR LESS.

"Funny that you don't denounce the racist (and foreign nationalist) BNP that claims him as their intellectual father. The silence is deafening. "

If you visit my links, you'll see a defense of Powell and his so-called "rivers of blood" speech from the Jewish World Review. You might learn something.

"The Rosenbergs' defense as well. You're free to stew in your vicious dreams of "purifying" America, as long as you don't act on them. "

Admit it. You crave the Islamification of America and the Infidel in his proper place. That IS what your friends want.

"A great thing about a free country like ours is that fools like you are free to openly declare what fools they are."

Useful idiots... People like you and Duranty are of a kind. He defended Stalin. You defend Mohammad and his minions. Same difference.
80 posted on 01/04/2007 10:17:22 PM PST by EnochPowellWasRight
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To: EnochPowellWasRight
Intelligence indicated that they were a risk near our critical industrial centers, due to the efforts the Japanese Empire had made to encourage the loyalty of ex-pats AND ethnic Japanese people to the home country.

Magic intelligence indicated Japanese attempts to seek out spies from among Issei. This does not justify excluding all people of Japanese from the West Coast.

I didn't say that half the country - in this study - wants internment, but that half the country wants some civil liberties restrictions on Muslims.

The same study also said that 44% of those surveyed believed that the right to criticize the government should be curtailed. So if 44% want to curtail the civil liberties of people with different religious beliefs, 43% want to curtail civil liberties in general.

there's nothing particularly "religious" about the goal of Islam.

Are you suggesting, as your intellecutal forbears did, that there exist some Protocols of certain Elders who are bent on world domination and organize under the guise of faith?

If anything, I would trust converts like Ellison even less than I'd trust someone who grew up with it. In fact, FAR LESS.

Interesting. I tend to distrust unabashed opponents of the Constitution and the country, such as people who regularly advocate concentration camps for Americans with different religious beliefs.

If you visit my links, you'll see a defense of Powell and his so-called "rivers of blood" speech from the Jewish World Review. You might learn something.

Believe me, I have. The eulogy (if it can be called that) prattles on about the dangers of dusky immigrants at our shores almost more than it discusses Powell himself. It underscores my belief that, while Powell may have been misunderstood, his modern-day supporters have a disturbing fixation on the idea of national purity. I'll add that the piece was written by Don Feder, who believes that Katrina was God's punishment for Bush's support for Sharon's Gaza withdrawl. (www.donfeder.com/filecabinet/09192005.doc) With friends like that...

84 posted on 01/04/2007 10:57:45 PM PST by zimdog
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To: EnochPowellWasRight
Intelligence indicated that they were a risk near our critical industrial centers, due to the efforts the Japanese Empire had made to encourage the loyalty of ex-pats AND ethnic Japanese people to the home country.

Very correct. Also remember that in the early days of WWII there were incidents where both Japanese-Americans and German-Americans (who were also interned in the east, though in fewer numbers) engaged in clear acts of sabotage and subversion.

In the first year of the war the nazis landed a boat full of saboteurs who were German-American citizens of the United States. They were executed in the famous Quirin case.

The first act of Japanese-American subversion actually happened on Dec. 7, 1941 - the day Pearl Harbor was attacked. One of the Japanese planes was hit by U.S. return fire during the attack and crash landed on the Hawaiian island of Niihau about a hundred miles to the west of Pearl Harbor. Local U.S. citizens didn't know about the attack yet, but saw the pilot was armed and acting suspiciously. They took him prisoner while attempting to get in contact with the authorities, and sent for two local Japanese-Americans to translate for the pilot. Meanwhile one of the civilians took a package of papers the pilot was carrying and attempted to contact the more heavily populated island of Kauai nearby so they could be given to the government. Unbeknownst to him, the attack on Pearl prompted the military to halt all inter-island boat travel in Hawaii, effectively cutting off Niihau from any news or contact from the outside world. The weekly boat shipment to the island never arrived for that week.

Meanwhile when the Japanese-Americans were taken to the pilot, he told them in Japanese that Pearl Harbor had been attacked and he had sensitive orders in his belongings, which were confiscated by the other civilians. The two Japanese-American translators then conspired with the pilot, helped him escape and travelled with him to a nearby village on the island and took civilians there hostage.

The three spent the next few days trying to find the civilian who had possession of the pilot's papers, intending to kill him and destroy the package. Unbeknownst to them, the papers were already on a row boat bound for Kauaii. Fortunately a group of vigilant islanders caught the three conspirators when their guard was down, killing the pilot and taking his cohorts into custody. The incident was one of the main instigators of the internment program, because both of the Japanese-American co-conspirators were U.S. citizens.

90 posted on 01/05/2007 2:37:47 AM PST by lqclamar
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