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A Democracy...........if you can keep it.
1 posted on 12/14/2006 1:23:01 AM PST by kipita
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The Union of Concerned Scientists is a hard-left lobbying group. Their only concern about biased data is that it isn't being biased to favor their agenda.


2 posted on 12/14/2006 1:26:43 AM PST by Slings and Arrows ("[Neturei Karta] are the Westboro Baptist Church of Judaism." --Alouette)
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The statement, which includes the backing of 52 Nobel Laureates, demands a restoration of scientific integrity in government policy.

52 is a deck of cards and all run a chance.

3 posted on 12/14/2006 1:27:49 AM PST by Nitro (A)
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A Democracy...........if you can keep it.

Actually, Ben Franklin didn't say that, exactly ....

4 posted on 12/14/2006 1:28:26 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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Did they mention Olympia Snow's censorship threat against any scientist who doesn't knuckle under to the Great Religion of Global Warming?


10 posted on 12/14/2006 1:39:23 AM PST by samtheman (The Democrats are the DhimmiGods of the New Religion of PC)
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"It's very difficult to make good public policy without good science, and it's even harder to make good public policy with bad science," said Dr Peter Gleick, president of the Pacific Institute for Studies in Development, Environment and Security.

I suppose it is even more difficult to produce good science when its only purpose is to support the policies you have blind faith in.

11 posted on 12/14/2006 1:39:25 AM PST by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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IMO, one of the biggest issues facing man at present is that science and technology are getting up into altitudes that infringe upon other aspects of our existence.

An apt metaphor might be that of the legend-myth of Daedalus and Icarus.

Do they want to operate without taxpayer funding?

Wolf
14 posted on 12/14/2006 1:40:51 AM PST by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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political interference in the scientific process

For this group, and too many others, the "scientific process" itself is political.

16 posted on 12/14/2006 1:45:25 AM PST by browardchad
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"It's very difficult to make good public policy without good science, and it's even harder to make good public policy with bad science," said Dr Peter Gleick, president of the Pacific Institute for Studies in Development, Environment and Security.

"In the last several years, we've seen an increase in both the misuse of science and I would say an increase of bad science in a number of very important issues; for example, in global climate change, international peace and security, and water resources."

WHile I agree with the words, I really doubt he meant them the same way I would have.

It would be especially refreshing to see studies where the data, untwisted and undistorted, supported the conclusions drawn, particularly in the areas cited.

However, as long as funding sources seek particular conclusions and grant money is at stake in publish or perish university environments that simply isn't going to happen.

21 posted on 12/14/2006 1:55:47 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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I suggest that these scientists go make a living doing whatever they do weaned off the public tit. Then they can say and do whatever they like on their own dime.
26 posted on 12/14/2006 2:10:03 AM PST by DB
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"Science" now includes computer models that are a farce. They are touted as "only a tool" for management of natural resources (water quality, global warming, etc.) but they are given the weight of reality. No one gets a good look at the assumptions made in loading the model, where common sense is most often absent and agendas abound.

Statistics can be bent to prove almost anything and so called scientists know how to manipulate the data to support a preconcieved agenda. "Science" on the Klamath is rife with politics. Presence/absence assumptions on coho are based on studies that did not span at least the 3 year established lifecycle of the fish. There can be a boom year or a bust year in any one of the three years.

In the upper Klamath, Dr. Hardy and his "science" has "proven" that more water should be going down the Klamath than is even naturally possible.

It's all politics. They like to make you believe that there is some empirical answer in science that can be relied upon as the "truth," but that is b.s. There is so much bias in the ologists that every fiding must be taken with great skeptisim.


28 posted on 12/14/2006 2:18:17 AM PST by marsh2
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Some 10,000 US researchers have signed a statement protesting about political interference in the scientific process.

Of course anyone with integrity would be concerned about twisted logic and warped thinking about science. But, IMO, there is no more or less untoward interference today. I am concerned just about the opposite; that the 10,000 researchers are attempting to force their warped thinking onto scientists of true integrity and honesty. Questioning questionable science is NOT political interference!

37 posted on 12/14/2006 4:18:32 AM PST by olezip
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Last year, it triggered a major row when a discussion here resulted in the renowned US space agency climate scientist Dr James Hansen later claiming he had come under pressure not to talk to the media on global warming issues.

Not just a lie, a damned lie.

He was not put "under pressure not to talk to the media on global warming issues."  He was ordered, flat out, to stop lying about NASA's position and conclusions as an agency.  Hansen was claiming that he was making official statements of documented NASA conclusions when what he was doing was putting forward his own opinions as if they were agency policy.  He was told he could talk all he wanted about his conclusions, but he was not authorized to speak on behalf of NASA or the US Government or say they they were the official NASA position.  He also was urged to stop saying that his unsubstantiated opinions were fact proved by NASA studies.  The studies he cited as proving his personal conclusions did include the data he cited, but they also included data that contradicted his conclusions.  He chose to ignore those inconvenient facts and the other NASA researchers who challenged his conclusions and attempted to railroad through his politically motivated agenda under the guise of scientific method.  When he got caught he screamed censorship.

There's a huge difference.  This guy has more in common with the 6 flying Imams and the organization promoting this propaganda is using tactics suspiciously like CAIR.

41 posted on 12/14/2006 5:23:48 AM PST by Phsstpok (Often wrong, but never in doubt)
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The comments on this post make me think they have a point, unfortunately.


43 posted on 12/14/2006 5:32:41 AM PST by Lt_funk
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Some 10,000 US researchers have signed a statement protesting about political interference in the scientific process.

THEY ARE REJECTING GOVERNMENT FUNDING??????????????

45 posted on 12/14/2006 5:48:49 AM PST by Tribune7 (Conservatives hold bad behavior against their leaders. Dims don't.)
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Ben Franklin never said 'A Democracy' - because we ain't one. He said 'A Republic' - because that's what we are.


47 posted on 12/14/2006 6:14:20 AM PST by Condor51 (Tagline Under Construction - Kindly Wear Your Hardhat)
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A REPUBLIC, if you can keep it.


THAT is what franklin said.


48 posted on 12/14/2006 6:22:32 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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Some 10,000 US researchers have signed a statement protesting about political interference in the scientific process.

Does that mean that they don't want to fill out any more intrusive applications for federal grant money?

50 posted on 12/14/2006 7:14:42 AM PST by syriacus (30,000 US deaths in Korea in 2 1/2 years under Truman (Jul, 1950 - Dec, 1952))
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Actually, it's a republic, if you can keep it, FRiend.


56 posted on 12/14/2006 8:49:09 AM PST by MortMan (I was going to be indecisive, but I changed my mind.)
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