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To: PhiKapMom
This is a good example of why we should elect Giuliani as the GOP candidate in '08. There just aren't enough dedicated conservative voters to win without also drawing in independents, made worse when the oh so purist segment of conservatives sit at home at the drop of a hat. (Though I guess it is too early to know if this was the case here.)

Am waiting for the spam analysis to start of how Bonilla clearly must be a RINO and that we would have won if only a 'true conservative' had run on a platform of jailing every illegal alien, killing abortion doctors, and eliminating schools. Hence why they stayed home this year, to 'send a message' and 'teach a lesson'. Yeah, well the lesson taught was that the screaming blackmail-threatening 'purist' activists can rarely be counted on, other than perhaps driving up turnout on the other side. Every day it is a new excuse of why they can't support this candidate or that candidate or any GOP candidate.

I'm fed up with the kooks, the never-satisfied crowd, the ones who are always threatening to shoot a hole in the boat if they don't get 101% their way. Fine, let them sit at home, we'll win without them, and they seem to be increasingly comfortable with not having a voice at the table.

In this election environment it is going to take both charisma and trust to win for the incumbent party, too many uninspired voters stay at home or vote for change. In the Presidency we are the incumbent party, so it is going to take someone like Giuliani to actually inspire and win over voters beyond just the base.

59 posted on 12/12/2006 7:43:51 PM PST by Diddle E. Squat (An easy 10-team playoff based on the BCS bowls can be implemented by next year. See my homepage.)
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To: Diddle E. Squat

Dittos, baby.Right on the money. Too many "conservatives in name only" who bail at the drop of a hat & leave the rest of us stuck with loony left-wing dem representatives because the 'rinos' aren't conservative enough for their royal highnesses. Well, damn. Just screw 'em.


72 posted on 12/12/2006 8:40:00 PM PST by leilani (Dimmi, dimmi se mai fu fatta cosa alcuna!)
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To: Diddle E. Squat

if it doesn't play out as you've described, its president hillary clinton for sure.

our base is just too fickle - look at the threads regarding Mary Cheney's baby - yet another litmus test our candidates must meet - demonizing lesbians who want to have their OWN baby.

make this same post elsewhere, its a good one. you'll be attacked, don't back down.


73 posted on 12/12/2006 8:42:12 PM PST by oceanview
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To: Diddle E. Squat

Amen. These people need to grow up. Among other things, they need to be more patriotic and less self-centered. There is a difference.


79 posted on 12/12/2006 9:04:43 PM PST by California Patriot ("That's not Charlie the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: Diddle E. Squat

Diddle! Finally I agree with you on something! My thoughts exactly.

;-)


85 posted on 12/12/2006 9:30:29 PM PST by Jedidah
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To: Diddle E. Squat
I'm fed up with the kooks, the never-satisfied crowd, the ones who are always threatening to shoot a hole in the boat if they don't get 101% their way. Fine, let them sit at home, we'll win without them, and they seem to be increasingly comfortable with not having a voice at the table.

In this election environment it is going to take both charisma and trust to win for the incumbent party, too many uninspired voters stay at home or vote for change. In the Presidency we are the incumbent party, so it is going to take someone like Giuliani to actually inspire and win over voters beyond just the base.

We are on the same page. I am fed up just like you. Having heard Rudy speak several years ago here at OU, I believe he will draw votes in from various segments. I am so tired of seeing these people say they are going to stay home if they don't like a candidate or go third party, that I don't care to hear what they have to say anymore. I am tired of the pandering to the religious right and their staying home like they did in 2006. In fact, I am tired of one issue voters that have their head buried in the sand too!

I am a proud conservative who puts our national defense at the top of my list because we have people trying to kill us, and we should have sealed the borders (both of them) sometime ago to prevent more terrorist from entering the country illegally. Instead the Administration panders to Hispanics. I am tired of pandering, 'compassionate conservatism' and kumbaya!

Now I feel better! :)

94 posted on 12/12/2006 9:51:39 PM PST by PhiKapMom ( Go Sooners! Big 12 Champions! Rudy 2008)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
This is a good example of why we should elect Giuliani as the GOP candidate in '08. There just aren't enough dedicated conservative voters to win...

I will compromise on just about any issue except one. I won't compromise my right to own and carry (keep and bear) just about any durn firearm I want.

Gun owners, for decades, allowed the antis in our own party to negotiate away our liberties not realizing that whatever the other side didn't get in any single legislative session, they got the next. Nobody on their side "compromised" on anything. Incrementalism at it's most blatant. Make no mistake, any GOP politician that is anti-gun is a RINO without doubt. Compromise on such a basic RIGHT is unconscionable.

The NRA got smart and GOA got smarter and tougher. Democrats must have a reason to vote Republican. The gun owning Dems are the folks who gave GWB West-By-God Virginia (a RAT bastion for 80 years prior) and Gore's home state of Tennesee in 2000. In a similar but lesser vein, the pro-life and anti-gay folks fell into line with Bush on religious grounds rather than party.

But if the GOP runs a (BARF) "centrist" or left leaning candidate all that demonstrates is an abandonment of party roots leading to political destruction. If an opposition candidate closely mirrors the social positions of your own party's candidate, why bother? Social issues are what drive the agendas on both sides.

Why do you think Reagan is widely regarded as the best President in modern history? He ran as an unapologetic conservative and then he walked it like he talked it. See there are a LOT of closet conservatives in the Democrat Party. They are truly concerned about things like gun control and almost in full panic mode over border issues and illegal immigration but they can't be vocal or they risk the alienation of fellow party members. But if the GOP candidate agrees with the Dem on these critical social issues, why bother?

120 posted on 12/13/2006 9:00:21 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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