Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Libertarian GOP defection?
Townhall.com ^ | Tuesday, December 12, 2006 | Bruce Bartlett

Posted on 12/12/2006 7:37:39 AM PST by Small-L

For many years, those who consider themselves to be libertarians have been fairly reliable members of the Republican coalition. Although no libertarian would consider himself or herself to be entirely in agreement with either major party, they have historically sided with the GOP. But the relationship today seems more deeply strained than any time in the last 30 years, and a divorce may be forthcoming.

Basically, libertarians are allied with the right on economic issues and the left on everything else. They believe in the free market and freedom of choice in areas such as drugs, and favor a noninterventionist foreign policy. Consequently, someone who is a libertarian could prefer to ally with the right or the left, depending on what set of issues is most important to him or her.

I first became aware of the libertarian philosophy in 1969, when there was a big split in a college-based group called Young Americans for Freedom, which was supposed to be the right-wing alternative to the left's Students for a Democratic Society. The libertarians broke with those who considered themselves traditionalists -- conservatives in the mold of Edmund Burke and Russell Kirk.

The problem for the libertarians was that they didn't want to conserve anything. Whereas the conservatives prized order and continuity, the libertarians were radicals favoring change. The traditionalists in YAF viewed the libertarians with horror, like the Jacobins of the French Revolution, who destroyed the existing order without putting anything in its place, leading to a reign of terror.

The libertarians countered by associating themselves with the American revolutionary tradition of Thomas Jefferson, Patrick Henry and others. The true conservative, they argued, must defend both the bad and the good in the existing order. But what if there are deep problems in government and society that require change? The conservative traditionalist has little to offer.

In 1969, the key issue was obviously the Vietnam War. The traditionalists supported it, the libertarians opposed it. But drugs were also an important issue dividing the groups. Libertarians believe people have the right to do what they want with their own bodies, even if they end up hurting themselves in the process. Traditionalists take a more Puritanical approach, believing that people must be protected against their own folly.

Consequently, when I first became acquainted with libertarianism, most libertarians tended to associate with those on the left, where they had more in common. But with the end of the Vietnam War and the huge rise of inflation and other economic problems in the 1970s, libertarians mostly tended to drift rightward.

In the 1970s, the left was clueless about how to fix the economy. They had no idea what was causing inflation and insisted on dealing instead with its symptoms through wage and price controls. The left at that time was also highly sympathetic to socialism and often favor nationalization of businesses like the Penn Central Railroad when bankruptcy threatened.

The right at least understood that excessive money growth by the Federal Reserve caused inflation, and that socialism and nationalization were crazy. So most libertarians moved into the Republican Party, which then had leaders like Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan, who spoke their language and had libertarian sympathies.

With the passing of the older generation of Republican leaders who were at least sympathetic to the libertarian message, a new generation of Puritans have taken over the party. They seem to want nothing more than to impose Draconian new laws against drugs, gambling, pornography and other alleged vices. The new Republican Puritans don't trust people or believe that they have the right to do as they please as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. They want the government to impose itself on peoples' lives and deny them freedom of choice.

At the same time, the Iraq War has aroused the isolationist impulse among libertarians. Only a tiny number of them supported the war in the first place, and they have all now recanted. Moreover, Republicans have lost whatever credibility they once had on economics by indulging in an orgy spending and corruption, and by becoming very unreliable allies on issues such as free trade and government regulation of the economy.

Consequently, many libertarians are drifting back once again to the left, where they find more compatible allies on some of the key issues of the day. And a few on the left are reaching out to libertarians, or at least trying to open a dialogue where there really hasn't been one for a long time.

Libertarians probably don't represent more than 10 percent of the electorate at most and are easy for political consultants to ignore. But they are represented in much larger percentages among opinion leaders and thus have influence disproportionate to their numbers. Republicans will miss them if they leave the party en masse.


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: allcrybabies; defection; gop; leavewhiners; libertarian; losertarians
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 81-100101-120121-140 ... 221-226 next last
To: Small-L
"Basically, libertarians are allied with the right on economic issues and the left on everything else."

Wow. I didn't know that libertarians were for:

bigger, more intrusive government
gun-control
affirmative action
expansive government "healthcare"
abortion funding
activist courts and judges
embryonic stem cell research funding
government monopoly schools
Nanny-state control over environmental issues (and everything else)
Social Security
invasive use of eminent domain
etc., etc., etc....

jw

101 posted on 12/12/2006 9:54:17 AM PST by JWinNC (www.anailinhisplace.net)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Beagle8U

I'm afraid you misread my post.


102 posted on 12/12/2006 9:54:31 AM PST by DManA
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 72 | View Replies]

To: longtermmemmory

Whole lotta hand ringing over a whole lot of nobodies.


103 posted on 12/12/2006 9:55:27 AM PST by DManA
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 71 | View Replies]

To: Preachin'
Can I pitch in a couple of suitcases?

Yea. Give us the suitcases. Good luck getting the House, or the Senate for that matter, after the divorce.

L

104 posted on 12/12/2006 9:59:10 AM PST by Lurker (Historys most dangerous force is government and the crime syndicates that grow with it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 86 | View Replies]

To: tacticalogic

Newt wrote a platform and shamed republicans into supporting it. It was enormously successful politically. Republicans threw Newt and his platform into the garbage. Americans threw Republicans into the garbage.


105 posted on 12/12/2006 9:59:26 AM PST by DManA
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 76 | View Replies]

To: Alberta's Child
He's the guy who insists -- based on his libertarian principles -- that the government has no business outlawing drugs, but then turns around and calls on the government to expand drug treatment programs for people who "need them."

That fictional person wouldn't be a Libertarian.

L

106 posted on 12/12/2006 10:00:15 AM PST by Lurker (Historys most dangerous force is government and the crime syndicates that grow with it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 69 | View Replies]

To: Antoninus
...by the various liberaltarians on FR...

Thank you for making my point.

Care to discuss the GOP's departure from Reagan's or Newt's philosophies of government? Perhaps a discussion of why the Republican Party campaigned on and even had planks calling for the elimination of the Departments of Commerce, Education, and Housing and Urban Development while the current GOP expanded them by 82%, 101% and 59% respectively. Or maybe you can explain the conservative principles behind the Medicare Drug program, NCLB, or the 29,000+ earmarks.

107 posted on 12/12/2006 10:01:51 AM PST by Small-L
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 97 | View Replies]

To: MNJohnnie
We would be FAR better off if the losers simply LEFT

Guess what Scooter, we did.

How do you like us now?

Enjoy the minority Johnieboy.

Get used to it.

L

108 posted on 12/12/2006 10:01:54 AM PST by Lurker (Historys most dangerous force is government and the crime syndicates that grow with it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 63 | View Replies]

To: Lurker

"Yea. Give us the suitcases. Good luck getting the House, or the Senate for that matter, after the divorce."

As well as those Senate seats the LP caused us too.

Good job that the LP did bringing us all together, huh?


109 posted on 12/12/2006 10:02:01 AM PST by Preachin' (Enoch's testimony was that he pleased God: Why are we still here?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 104 | View Replies]

To: Waryone
Christian Conservatives...

Well written Wary. I think you and I can agree on the role of government vs. the role of the church.

110 posted on 12/12/2006 10:04:12 AM PST by Small-L
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 92 | View Replies]

To: Antoninus

The entire thought process of liberaltarianism is warped. Less taxation, tax and legalize drugs. Govt is meant to only protect the people, open borders for all. Right to life, kill the unborn at will. Right to bear arms, I am sure there is some bullet tax there. Then when you disagree with them it is all lies and that we are all kool-aid drinkers. Frankly I have come to find out that libertarians fal into three different groups.

A. Liberals who feel taxes are too high
B. Conservatives who got caught doing an illegal act and were convicted, ie dopesmokers, cocaine users etc.
C. Anarchists who want the destruction of most forms of centralized authority.


111 posted on 12/12/2006 10:04:35 AM PST by aft_lizard (born conservative...I chose to be a republican)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 97 | View Replies]

To: Preachin'
Good job that the LP did bringing us all together, huh?

You're the ones who keep telling us about that "big tent".

Next time try bringing the walls and the ceiling. Maybe we'll be able to find it.

L

112 posted on 12/12/2006 10:07:47 AM PST by Lurker (Historys most dangerous force is government and the crime syndicates that grow with it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 109 | View Replies]

To: aft_lizard

What part of RR do you feel was warped? Or his platform in '84 and '88? Or Newt's Contract for America?


113 posted on 12/12/2006 10:12:24 AM PST by Small-L
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 111 | View Replies]

To: Leatherneck_MT
" They point at everyone else and say "YOU didn't do what you were supposed to, we LOST because of YOU!"

Judging by a lot of posts on this thread, it goes a lot farther than that, they're not just saying "it's your fault," they're saying "get lost and stay lost." Maybe they'll get their wish.

The fact that so many freepers consider individual freedom, personal liberty and limited government to be "liberal" constructs goes a long way toward explaining why libertarians might think twice about voting Republican.

114 posted on 12/12/2006 10:12:35 AM PST by Sam Cree (don't mix alcopops and ufo's - absolute reality)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 88 | View Replies]

To: Small-L
Care to discuss the GOP's departure from Reagan's or Newt's philosophies of government?

There's nothing to discuss. We agree on these issues.

Now if only we could get you folks to admit that two men playing house is a really bad idea that should not be recognized as a "marraige" at any level of government, then we'll be getting somewhere.
115 posted on 12/12/2006 10:13:17 AM PST by Antoninus ("Dealing with the pampered and effeminate Americans will be easy." --Osama bin Laden)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 107 | View Replies]

To: Common Tator
You do not have to be void of reality to be a libertarian, but I have never met one who was not.

Wow, I just love these sweeping generalizations. And the insults. Those are especially fun. I wonder why it might be that you say that the libertarians can't be be relied upon for votes for the republican candidates? It wouldn't possibly be the sweeping generalizations, the easy dismissal, or the insults, would it? Nahhhh.

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

Mark

116 posted on 12/12/2006 10:14:27 AM PST by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: DManA

"I'm afraid you misread my post."

OK, sorry if I did. I'll have to reread them.


117 posted on 12/12/2006 10:14:43 AM PST by Beagle8U
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 102 | View Replies]

To: VaBthang4
Good, all Loserdopians get out and stop pretending to be conservatives.

... keep up the puritan-mercantilist-militarist nonsense and they bloody-well will. see what a few dozen thousand of them can do to electoral results nationwide? stop trying to make the G.O.P. party into the G.O.D. party whose symbol is a cross made out of missiles painted with dollar signs and wrapped in the star of David.

118 posted on 12/12/2006 10:16:35 AM PST by muleboy (muleboy303.blogspot.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: VaBthang4

>>Good, all Loserdopians get out and stop pretending to be conservatives<<

Ultimately, they are all just labels. Nobody fits any of them perfectly.


119 posted on 12/12/2006 10:17:17 AM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Naziism was in 1937.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Antoninus

I think the libertarian position on gay marriage is that marriage is a religious institution and government has no business sanctioning any variety of it.


120 posted on 12/12/2006 10:20:41 AM PST by DManA
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 115 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 81-100101-120121-140 ... 221-226 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson