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Republicans 2008: Giuliani Leads McCain by Seven
Angus Reid Global Monitor ^ | Dec. 9, 2006 | Angus Reid Global Monitor

Posted on 12/10/2006 11:57:45 AM PST by FairOpinion

Rudy Giuliani remains the most popular presidential hopeful for Republican Party sympathizers in the United States, according to a poll by Opinion Dynamics released by Fox News. 30 per cent of respondents would vote for the former New York City mayor in a 2008 primary.

Arizona senator John McCain is second with 23 per cent, followed by former House of Representatives speaker Newt Gingrich with nine per cent, and Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney with eight per cent. Support is lower for Kansas senator Sam Brownback, New York governor George Pataki, and California congressman Duncan Hunter.

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To: nickcarraway

"When a Republican running as a conservative loses, you always say it was the candidates fault the election was lost. When a Republican running as a liberal loses, you always blame the voters for the loss."


Your statement is UNTRUE.

The voters are always the one with the last say.

It's the voter's fault when they nominate a conservative who has no chance of winning in a general election and it's the voters fault, when they don't turn out to support their candidate.


101 posted on 12/10/2006 1:37:38 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: padre35

Winning in Michigan or Minnesota would change the map significantly in 2008.

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If Republicans were to route even half the support we consistently adhere to regarding the oil industy (which funds a lot of coutries which hate America), the direction of our beleaguered Auto Industry - the GOP would win in Michigan.


102 posted on 12/10/2006 1:41:02 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (Election 2006: For Republicans, the results were comprehensive.)
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To: RealTeen

I want the Rudy lovefest to stop! (you hear, Hannity?)We need a conservative nominee in 2008, not a RINO...Rudy touts his post-9/11 leadership, but wasn't he really just doing his job as NYC mayor?


104 posted on 12/10/2006 1:47:48 PM PST by ZippyTheGreat
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To: FairOpinion

Is it the voter's fault when they nominate a liberal who has no chance of winning in a general election?


105 posted on 12/10/2006 1:48:43 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: ZippyTheGreat

"We need a conservative nominee in 2008"


And your suggestion is???

Don't forget the No. 1 criterion: MUST BE ABLE TO BEAT ANY DEM CANDIDATE, INCLUDING HILLARY.


106 posted on 12/10/2006 1:49:49 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
when they don't turn out to support their candidate.

Except you assume it's always conservative voters who are doing that, when the reality is usually the opposite. For example, in the 2004 election, some of the liberal city captains/volunteers in the county Bush/Cheney team quit in the week before the election, so they could focus on Steve Poisner's Assembly campaign. That meant certain key areas were abandoned without time to find a replacement, so that they "evil conservatives" had to fill in as best they could. The "evil conservatives" worked their butts off until the polls closed at 8 pm, while the liberals were spending the day planning a victory party. The conservatives did all that despite their misgivings about a lot of policies, just so they could be blamed for everything that goes wrong by the likes of you.

107 posted on 12/10/2006 1:56:31 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: FairOpinion
Polls now are all in the name and are completely meaningless and worthless. I don't get why the media is foisting them on us so early, except maybe to make us think that Giuliani-Clinton is inevitable, in which in any case a liberal wins. Bill Clinton led no polls in December 1990, don't fall for this. Show me a poll a week before the Iowa caucus and then I'll care.

On President Bill Clinton: Shortly before his last-minute endorsement of Bob Dole in the 1996 presidential election, Giuliani told the Post's Jack Newfield that "most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." -Rudy! An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Wayne Barrett.




The Real Rudy Giuliani:

From Human Events:

Rudy's Strong Pro-Abortion Stance

As these comments from a 1989 conversation with Phil Donahue show, Rudy Giuliani is staunchly in favor of abortion:

"I've said that I'll uphold a woman's right of choice, that I will fund abortion so that a poor woman is not deprived of a right that others can exercise, and that I would oppose going back to a day in which abortions were illegal.

I do that in spite of my own personal reservations. I have a daughter now; if a close relative or a daughter were pregnant, I would give my personal advice, my religious and moral views ...

Donahue: Which would be to continue the pregnancy.

Giuliani: Which would be that I would help her with taking care of the baby. But if the ultimate choice of the woman - my daughter or any other woman - would be that in this particular circumstance [if she had] to have an abortion, I'd support that. I'd give my daughter the money for it."

Worse yet, Giuliani even supports partial birth abortion:

"I'm pro-choice. I'm pro-gay rights,Giuliani said. He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. "No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing," he responded." -- CNN.com, "Inside Politics" Dec 2, 1999

It's bad enough that Rudy is so adamantly pro-abortion, but consider what that could mean when it comes time to select Supreme Court Justices. Does the description of Giuliani that you've just read make you think he's going to select an originalist like Clarence Thomas, who would vote to overturn Roe v. Wade -- or does it make you think he would prefer justices like Sandra Day O'Connor and Anthony Kennedy who'd leave Roe v. Wade in place?

Rudy's abortion stance is bad news for conservatives who are pro-life or who are concerned about getting originalist judges on the Supreme Court.

An Anti-Second Amendment Candidate

In the last couple of election cycles, 2nd Amendment issues have moved to the back burner mainly because even Democratic candidates have learned that being tagged with the "gun grabber" label is political poison.

Unfortunately, Rudy Giuliani is a proponent of gun control who supported the Brady Bill and the Assault Weapon Ban.

Do Republicans really want to abandon their strong 2nd Amendment stance by selecting a pro-gun control nominee?

Soft on Gay Marriage

Other than tax cuts, the biggest domestic issue of the 2004 election was President Bush's support of a Constitutional Amendment to define marriage as being between a man and a woman. Unfortunately, Rudy Giuliani has taken a "Kerryesque" position on gay marriage.

Although Rudy, like John Kerry, has said that marriage should remain between a man and a woman, he also supports civil unions, "marched in gay-pride parades" ...dressed up in drag on national television for a skit on Saturday Night Live (and moved in with a) wealthy gay couple" after his divorce. He also very vocally opposed running on a gay marriage amendment:

His thoughts on the gay-marriage amendment? "I don't think you should run a campaign on this issue," he told the Daily News earlier this month. "I think it would be a mistake for anybody to run a campaign on it -- the Democrats, the president, or anybody else."

Here's more from the New York Daily News:

"Rudy Giuliani came out yesterday against President Bush's call for a ban on gay marriage.

The former mayor, who Vice President Cheney joked the other night is after his job, vigorously defended the President on his post-9/11 leadership but made clear he disagrees with Bush's proposal to rewrite the Constitution to outlaw gays and lesbians from tying the knot.

"I don't think it's ripe for decision at this point," he said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

"I certainly wouldn't support [a ban] at this time," added Giuliani..."

Although Rudy may grudgingly say he doesn't support gay marriage (and it would be political suicide for him to do otherwise), where he really stands on the issue is an open question.

Pro-Illegal Immigration

As Tom Bevan of RealClearPolitics has pointed out, Rudy is an adherent of the same approach to illegal immigration that John McCain, Ted Kennedy, George Bush, and Harry Reid have championed:

"While McCain has taken heat for his support of comprehensive immigration reform, Rudy is every bit as pro-immigration as McCain - if not more so. On the O'Reilly Factor last week Giuliani argued for a "practical approach" to immigration and cited his efforts as Mayor of New York City to "regularize" illegal immigrants by providing them with access to city services like public education to "make their lives reasonable." Giuliani did say that "a tremendous amount of money should be put into the physical security" needed to stop the flow of illegal immigrants coming across the border, but his overall position on immigration is essentially indistinguishable from McCain's."

That's bad enough. But, as Michelle Malkin has revealed, under Giuliani, New York was an illegal alien sanctuary and "America's Mayor" actually sued the federal government in an effort to keep New York City employees from having to cooperate with the INS:

"When Congress enacted immigration reform laws that forbade local governments from barring employees from cooperating with the INS, Mayor Rudy Giuliani filed suit against the feds in 1997. He was rebuffed by two lower courts, which ruled that the sanctuary order amounted to special treatment for illegal aliens and were nothing more than an unlawful effort to flaunt federal enforcement efforts against illegal aliens. In January 2000, the Supreme Court rejected his appeal, but Giuliani vowed to ignore the law."

If you agree with the way that Nancy Pelosi and Company deal with illegal immigration, then you'll find the way that Rudy Giuliani tackles the issue to be right down your alley.

READ MORE OF GIULIANI'S LEFT WING IDEAS HERE

108 posted on 12/10/2006 2:01:53 PM PST by NapkinUser (Tom Tancredo for president of the United States of America in 2008!)
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To: nickcarraway

This proves my point -- it's not "liberal Republicans" but people who have the temerity to call themselves conservatives who voted for Angelides:

80% of Conservatives voted for Arnold

16% of Conservatives voted for Angelides !!!

92% of Republicans voted for Arnold

5% of Republicans voted for Angelides.

What this demonstrates is that a sizable fraction of the third party / "independent" types who claim to be conservatives, are indeed DICCs (Democrats in Conservative Clothing).

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1750175/posts?page=6#6


109 posted on 12/10/2006 2:06:48 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion

It is not about what I want.

I just think ROmeny will prove to be easily the most electable candidate, once Republicans realize that their choices in the primaries come down to McCain, Giuliani and Romney.


110 posted on 12/10/2006 2:07:51 PM PST by Maceman (This is America. Why must we press "1" for English?)
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To: Maceman
Romney has the governor thing going for him. People talk about senators not being qualified. Am I missing something? Giuliani is nothing more than a mayor.
111 posted on 12/10/2006 2:10:50 PM PST by NapkinUser (Tom Tancredo for president of the United States of America in 2008!)
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To: raftguide; jammer

I hope to see the day that the killing of innocent babies is banned and it is still hard for me to believe that some embrace this idea of murder of the innocent....


112 posted on 12/10/2006 2:11:18 PM PST by Kimmers
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To: Maceman

Romney is NOT electable in the general election.


113 posted on 12/10/2006 2:11:55 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion

Why is it always conservatives fault? You never, ever blame liberals for anything. How did they get to be so perfect?


114 posted on 12/10/2006 2:12:26 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: FairOpinion

If Giuliani and McCain are the only two who might win the Republican nomination then we are screwed.


115 posted on 12/10/2006 2:12:33 PM PST by Solitar ("My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them." -- Barry Goldwater)
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To: FairOpinion

"Romney is NOT electable in the general election."

And just how the heck is he not?


116 posted on 12/10/2006 2:13:43 PM PST by NapkinUser (Tom Tancredo for president of the United States of America in 2008!)
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To: padre35
Hilliary won re election in a landslide, now tow years after that the voters of NY are just going to throw her overboard for Rudy?
A lot of those votes were against George Bush. And besides, if they really love her so much, they get to keep her for six full years!
117 posted on 12/10/2006 2:14:09 PM PST by samtheman (The Democrats are the DhimmiGods of the New Religion of PC)
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To: nickcarraway

Liberals do what we expect them to do. Nor do we have any influence on what they do.

But I expect better from conservatives, then to pout and hand over the country to the leftist liberals.

If all conservatives had gotten out and voted Republican and Dems would still have won, THEN I wouldn't blame conservatives, because they indeed would have done all they can, to stop the liberals.

But when so many conservatives stayed home, it IS their fault that the Dems had won.


118 posted on 12/10/2006 2:15:42 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
Amen! Your points are right-on!

Being from Massholechusetts, let me say this about Mitt Romney: he could have signed an Executive Order outlawing ALL marriage until the legislature allowed the people to vote on gay "marriage".

Second, I think Romney screwed up by not running for governor of Michigan, where be most likely should have beaten Granholm. If he was running as a governor from a Midwest state he would have a much much better chance at doing something versus being the governor from Massachusetts with a very thin record of accomplishment (granted having an 87% Democratic legislature is not his fault per se, but what can he run on?)

Just my $0.02...
119 posted on 12/10/2006 2:15:47 PM PST by GOPsterinMA
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To: samtheman

If Gore couldn't win Tennessee, there is zero chance that Giuliani wins New York, especially if Hillary Clinton is the democrat's nominee. That is not happening, period.


120 posted on 12/10/2006 2:17:31 PM PST by NapkinUser (Tom Tancredo for president of the United States of America in 2008!)
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