Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 10 December 2006

Various big media television networks ^ | 10 December 2006 | Various Self-Serving Politicians and Big Media Screaming Faces

[Alas Babylon!]

The Talk Shows

Sunday, December 10th, 2006

Guests to be interviewed today on major television talk shows:

FOX NEWS SUNDAY (Fox Network): Former Secretary of State James A. Baker III and former Rep. Lee Hamilton, D-Ind., co-chairmen of the Iraq Study Group; Sens. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., and Sam Brownback, R-Kan.; composer Marvin Hamlisch.

MEET THE PRESS (NBC): Baker and Hamilton.

FACE THE NATION (CBS): Baker and Hamilton; Sens. Carl Levin, D-Mich., and Trent Lott, R-Miss.

THIS WEEK (ABC): British Prime Minister Tony Blair; Sens. Joe Biden, D-Del., and Gordon Smith, R-Ore.; actor Ed Asner.

LATE EDITION (CNN) : Baker and Hamilton; Reps. Christopher Shays, R-Conn., and Jane Harman, D-Calif.; Abdul Aziz al-Hakim, leader of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution of Iraq; Israeli Vice Prime Minister Shimon Peres.

[Laverne]

TOny is great on Realiable SOurces, showing how the reporters are misreporting the ISG; how they report things in a frame of Bush, rather than the national interest overall. Howie is asking some good questions, but his questions are are snarkily asked. Tony is wonderful, too bad he wasn't brought on board a lot sooner, but in this case, better late than never.

[MNJohnnie]

Say to the Nation? Nothing. He is CIC, not the whores in the Junk Media nor the clowns in the US Congress. We elected him, not them to be CIC. He was elected, they are a bunch of hucksters selling a shoddy product. When his term is up, we will replace him. He represents us, he does not have to seek our blessing on every single issue. That is why we are a Constitutional Republic and not a Direct Democracy.

[Mo1]

Andrea Mitchel says come the 2008, no one wants to be talking about the Iraq war

Gee .. ain't that special ... Politicians care more about THEMSELVES then they do about peace, liberty and freedom

[anita]

I think Republicans when in majority didn't behave like it as Rush said. Why in the world they select these people and give equal representation to dems when they were in clear majority? They behaved shamefully on 9/11 commission, interrogation & this ISG.

[dirtbiker]

TALK TO IRAN AND SYRIA!

The ONLY way to talk to Iran and Syria is from the business end of a BFG*!!!!

(*Big Freaking Gun)

[Bahbah]

Baker thinks that we don't talk to Syria and Iran because it's tough. I think it's because it's pointless.

[snugs]

I love poached egg or scrambled egg on toast or if I am feeling decadent fried egg and bacon sandwich.

[MNJohnnie]

Plus Ms Pam is much easier on the eyes then BOR

[snugs]

My point again this commission was not set up to look at it from a military point of view but simply a political damage limitation point of view.

[chiller]

The money quotes from 5 Year Countdown ..Jonathon McClendon, American Thinker:

My grandfather lived through the Great Depression, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, the Cold War ....He always believed good would triumph over the bad. His belief had never wavered, until now........

The United States is under siege and not just by terrorists. Never before have I seen such clear hatred and outright sabotage of our policies than those actions of my own countrymen. The sustained disdain and irresponsible wanting of our failure is ever present in the mainstream media, certain political groups and even many of our spineless leaders in Washington. Our so called "Allies" in Europe only compound the problem even more as they see who can best the other in anti-American sentiment. Do I need to go on about the U.N.? I didn't think so........

If we pull out of Iraq without a stable anti-terrorist government, let Iran have nukes and its regime remain in power, let radical Islam take hold, let Afghanistan fall, let N. Korea spread it's nuclear material, let China and Russia continue in their own pursuits of domination there WILL be a nuke or bio bomb going off somewhere in the West. I have set a timetable of within 5 years for this to happen. Unless we have victory we are only delaying the inevitable, and it is inevitable.

[anita]

Thanks Morgan. Just doing my 2 cents.

[snugs]

What !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Fudd Fan]

Howie is asking some good questions, but his questions are are snarkily asked.

Howie is out-snarking Gregory. What a little creep.

Tony is masterful as always.

[Bahbah]

The ONLY way to talk to Iran and Syria is from the business end of a BFG*!!!!

Yup, the only talks should be to deliver the message, with pictures if necessary, that we are dusting off some big ole bombers so decide how you want it to be. By the way, in the link to Pamela of Atlas Shrugs, she says that when Imanutjob was mayor, he widened the boulevards for the coming of the 12th Imam. If that is true, I don't think talking to him until his Thorazine regime is well established is going to do any good at all.

[dirtbiker]

Baker says talking to syria will solve Israel's Hezballa problem.

The only thing that will solve that is for Israel to KILL ALL THE HEZBOS.

As far as what the President should follow in this ISG report, MY answer would be "Use the damned thing for toilet paper."

[Bahbah]

this commission was not set up to look at it from a military point of view but simply a political damage limitation point of view.

And you would be 100% correct.

[Chuck54]

What !!!!!!!!!!!!!

True!!!!! I was watching.

[snugs]

Could be a clever move coming here, Generals maybe that have not got the job done maybe replaced under the guise of new Secretary of Defense and Baker Hamilton Report.

The President could win one here.

[Mo1]

Watching these liberals and how they comment with their opinions is like watching train wreck in the process of happening .. and there's not a damn thing we can do to stop it

The don't want to think about the consequences of Retreat & Defeat and what that would do to the future of the World


Now Gregory is calling the President response to the reporter as a "Melt Down"

[MNJohnnie]

Don't you just love the idiocy of the Junk Media? They simply state their opinion as if it were fact and keep screaming it week in and week out until everyone simply repeats it as "fact". Juan is a perfect idiot Representative of the group think that drive the US Junk Media.

Since so many Junk Media types completely are incapable of any sort of historical context, I will try yet again to pry open their welded shut minds.

Why Iraq

One of the really infuriating things in modern politics is the level of disinformation, misinformation, demagoguery and out right lying going on about the mission in Iraq. Democrats have spent the last 3+ years lying about Iraq out of a political calculation. The assumption is that the natural isolationist mindset of the average American voter, linked to the inherent Anti Americanism (what is misnamed the "Anti War movement") of the more feverish Democrat activists (especially those running the US's National "News" media) would restore them to national political dominance. The truth is the Democrat Party Leadership has simply lacked the courage to speak truth to whiners. The truth is that even if Al Gore won the 2000 election and 09-11 still happened we would be doing the EXACT same things in Iraq we are doing now.

Based on the political situation in the region left over from the 1991 Gulf War plus the domestic political consensus built up in BOTH parties since 1991 as well as fundamental military strategic laws, there was NO viable strategic choice for the US but to take out Iraq after finishing the initial operations in Afghanistan.

To start with Saddam's Iraq was our most immediate threat. We could NOT commit significant military forces to another battle with Saddam hovering undefeated on our flank nor could we leave significant forces watching Saddam. The political containment of Iraq was breaking down. That what Oil for Food was all about. Oil for Food was an attempt by Iraq to break out of it's diplomatic isolation and slip the shackles the UN Sanctions put on it's military. There there was the US Strategic position to consider.

The War on Islamic Fascism is different sort of war. in facing this Asymmetrical threat, we have a hidden foe, spread out across a geographically diverse area, with covert sources of supply. Since we cannot go everywhere they hide out, in fact often cannot even locate them until the engage us, we need to draw them out of hiding into a kill zone.

Iraq is that kill zone. That is the true brilliance of the Iraq strategy. We draw the terrorists out of their world wide hiding places onto a battlefield they have to fight on for political reasons (The "Holy" soil of the Arabian peninsula) where they have to pit their weakest ability (Conventional Military combat power) against our greatest strength (ability to call down unbelievable amounts of firepower) where they will primarily have to fight other forces (the Iraqi Security forces) in a battlefield that is mostly neutral in terms of guerrilla warfare. (Iraqi-mostly open terrain as opposed to guerrilla friendly areas like the mountains of Afghanistan or the jungles of SE Asia).

Did any of the critics of liberating Iraq ever look at a map? Iraq, for which we had the political, legal and moral justifications to attack, is the strategic high ground of the Middle East. A Geographic barrier that severs ground communication between Iran and Syria apart as well as providing another front of attack in either state or into Saudi Arabia if needed.

There were other reasons to do Iraq but here is the strategic military reason we are in Iraq. We have taken, an maintain the initiative from the Terrorists. They are playing OUR game on ground of OUR choosing.

Problem is Counter Insurgency is SLOW and painful. Often a case of 3 steps forward, two steps back. One has to wonder if the American people have either the emotional maturity, nor the intellect" to understand. It's so much easier to spew made for TV slogans like "No Blood for Oil" or "We support the Troops, bring them home" or dumbest of all "We are creating terrorists" then to actually THINK.

Westerners in general, and the US citizens in particular seem to have trouble grasping the fundamental fact of this foe. These Islamic Fascists have NO desire to co-exist with them. The extremists see all this PC posturing by the Hysteric Left as a sign that we are weak. Since they want us dead, weakness encourages them. There is simply no way to coexist with people who completely believe their "god" will reward them for killing us.

So we can covert to Islam, die or kill them. Iraq is about killing enough of them to make the rest of the Jihadists realize we are serious. They same way killing enough Germans, Italians and Japanese eliminated the ideologies of Nazism, Fascism and Bushido.

Americans need to understand how Bin Laden and his ilk view us. In the Arab world the USA is considered a big wimp. We have run away so many times. Lebanon, the Kurds, the Iraqis in 1991, the Iranians, Somalia, Clinton all thru the 1990s etc etc etc. The Jihadists think we will run again. In fact they are counting on it. That way they can run around screaming "We beat the American just like the Russians, come join us in Jihad" and recruit the next round of "holy warriors". Iraq is also a show place where we show the Muslim world that there are a lines they cannot cross. On 9-11-01 they crossed that line and we can, and will, destroy them for it