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Congress OKs Bill to Send Money to Fallen Firefighters Kin
FNC ^ | December 10, 2006

Posted on 12/10/2006 3:21:50 AM PST by Kaslin

WASHINGTON — Congress passed legislation early Saturday to ensure the families of five firefighters killed in Southern California can get more than $1 million in donations despite an IRS snag.

The measure was passed by voice vote in the final hours of the GOP-controlled Congress and now goes to President Bush for his signature.

The legislation would allow the Central County United Way in Hemet to distribute money to the families of the U.S. Forest Service firefighters killed in an arson blaze in October — even though the organization was not supposed to raise it under Internal Revenue Service rules.

The rules prevent tax-exempt charitable organizations from raising money to benefit individuals, so the United Way risked losing its tax exempt status if it gave out the money.

The legislation applies only to money raised to help families of the firefighter victims of the Esperanza Fire. It was moved through the Senate by Democratic Sens. Dianne Feinstein and Barbara Boxer, and through the House by GOP Reps. Mary Bono, Ken Calvert and Jerry Lewis, who represent the area.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: California; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: esperanzafire; irs

1 posted on 12/10/2006 3:21:51 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
Leave it to our IRS to fight with a charity for helping the families of heroes who died in the line of duty!

Abolish the IRS. fairtax.org
2 posted on 12/10/2006 3:34:15 AM PST by ME-262 (The Democrat party is slowly being reduced by abortion AIDS and imprisonment...and soon deportation!)
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To: ME-262

I wish we could just freeze their assets!


3 posted on 12/10/2006 3:39:42 AM PST by jim35 ("...when the lion and the lamb lie down together, ...we'd better damn sure be the lion")
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To: Kaslin

I don't think I understand this fully and I wish someone could explain it to me. Why and how did they ever raise this money in the first place if they knew they couldn't distribute it?

Hasn't this money been in the bank for a while earning interest for the United Way and does the UW get to keep that interest money?

It's like there is something very out of whack here and no one is digging into it because the money is for victims' families and no one wants to sound like they are trying to hurt those families by penalizing the United Way.

But, then again, I might just not fully understand this.


4 posted on 12/10/2006 3:41:02 AM PST by Elyse (I refuse to feed the crocodile.)
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To: Elyse
My take: the United Way knew when they took this project on that they couldn't give the money directly to the families. IMO, they planned to keep it for their own use. They've been foiled this time by Congress. But I'm not sure if it's a good idea for Congress to be passing laws to cover a specific incident.

Carolyn

5 posted on 12/10/2006 3:49:08 AM PST by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: Kaslin

As long as the money finally ends up inthe right hands, That is the main point.


6 posted on 12/10/2006 3:58:24 AM PST by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: Elyse

I don't understand it either, but they probably didn't know they could not contribute it. I wonder how many cases are there like this and this is the only one we heard about?


7 posted on 12/10/2006 4:23:00 AM PST by Kaslin (Don't fear the terrorists. They're mothers and fathers. Rosie O'Donnell November 9, 2006)
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To: Elyse
I don't think I understand this fully and I wish someone could explain it to me. Why and how did they ever raise this money in the first place if they knew they couldn't distribute it?

When they first asked for donations, they only expected maybe $10,000 or so. But then they got overwhelmed with so many donations they did not know how to legally handle it, so they went to the 'experts' United Way to help them deal with it.

8 posted on 12/10/2006 4:25:31 AM PST by Always Right
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To: CDHart
I'm not sure if it's a good idea for Congress to be passing laws to cover a specific incident.

They're called Bills of Attainder (laws passed specifically to benefit or harm a single individual). They're specifically prohibited by the Constitution. None of which ever stopped the Congress before. Why let the silly old Constitution get in the way of doing good, and feeling good about it (while snagging a few votes along the way)?

9 posted on 12/10/2006 5:00:52 AM PST by Hardastarboard (Why isn't there an "NRA" for the rest of my rights?)
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To: ME-262

The United Way is such a scam, trying to profit from the publicity on this trajedy. Raising money for these 5 specific fire fighters.

What about all the other fire fighters in the country who die in the line of duty, out in bo dunk USA?

If it was a general fund for all, then it'd be legal. Now its just a scam and congress is trying to OK it.


10 posted on 12/10/2006 5:35:53 AM PST by revtown
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To: revtown
All of the firefighters who were all but cremated on-site when they were overtaken by fire came from the same truck company in Apple Valley, population approx. 70,000. Is that "bo-dunk" enough for you?
Jason McKay's funeral entourage took a full 20 minutes to pass by, and that was just one funeral. They stopped construction on the 15-215 interchange so people from the high desert could drive down to Devore for the memorial service.
The deaths have hit our little town hard. The people in this town gave big. I'm glad to see this money released to help the families.
11 posted on 12/10/2006 8:58:23 AM PST by Excellence (Vote Dhimmocrat; Submit for Peace! (Bacon bits make great confetti.))
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To: ME-262

the IRS would have had a much different view if it was IRS agents that had died and were waiting for help with money! http://sacredscoop.com


12 posted on 12/10/2006 9:11:32 AM PST by CottShop
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To: Kaslin

bkamrk


13 posted on 12/10/2006 9:22:35 AM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/optimism_nov8th.htm)
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To: Kaslin; Abram; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; Allosaurs_r_us; Americanwolf; ...
"...despite an IRS snag."

How many other rules regulating charities are there?





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14 posted on 12/10/2006 9:49:23 AM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/optimism_nov8th.htm)
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To: traviskicks
How many other rules regulating charities are there

Today, there is probably one less than tomorrow. And tomorrow, there will be one less than there is the day after tomorrow.

This kind of stuff only affects big business kind of "charities". That's why the United Way has to worry about it, and the local Jaycees or Eagles could raise a lot of money like this for a one-time deal and get the money to the right place without ever filing any paperwork. Technically, everybody should but only the bg guys have to worry about actually staying around long enough to get caught.

But once the charity gets big enough to have the look and feel of a government agency, the rules start to choke. That's why the United Way needed special dispensation.

15 posted on 12/10/2006 10:09:16 AM PST by Bernard ("Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for." Will Rogers)
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To: sgtbono2002
ID'ing the IRS...


IRS = theirs


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16 posted on 12/10/2006 12:31:59 PM PST by Issaquahking (Trust can't be bought)
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To: Bernard
Essentially the IRS and the Feds don't want competition in the application of socialism. If the Feds give money to the firefighters families, illegal aliens, or ..., then the recipients are grateful to the government and government programs for their largess.

On the other hand, if the UW, Jaycees, Eagles, churches... are allowed/encouraged to give directly to those in need, then the needy realize that the government and government programs aren't needed.

As good socialists, the politicians can't have that. The solution is simple--pass a law to make it illegal for the charities to give directly to families and individuals.

17 posted on 12/11/2006 11:08:34 AM PST by Small-L
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