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Iran taunts the West with Holocaust debate
The Sunday Times ^ | December 10, 2006 | Marie Colvin

Posted on 12/10/2006 3:20:05 AM PST by MadIvan

DEFYING international condemnation, Iran will open a conference tomorrow questioning whether the Holocaust — in which millions of Jews and other minorities were killed by the Nazis — really happened.

An official at the Iranian foreign ministry claimed that delegates from 30 countries, including Britain, would attend the conference, initiated by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

The president, who claims the Holocaust is a myth used to justify the occupation of Palestinian land, has called for Israel to be wiped off the map and suggested that its citizens could be resettled in Alaska.

Among the first arrivals in Tehran for the two-day forum, called Studying the Holocaust: An International View, was Frederick Töben, who describes himself as an “expert”. Töben, an Australian Holocaust denier, brought his own model of the Auschwitz concentration camp in Poland. He claimed that it proved there would have been no room for the Jews — at least 1.1m — whose deaths there were documented in Nazi records.

Asked why western countries were so outraged, he replied: “The Holocaust equals a lie. Therefore Israel is built on a lie.”

The agenda is chilling. The Iranians have presented the forum in the banal manner of international conferences where experts examine evidence in open debate.

The seminars could have been designed to cause maximum pain to Holocaust survivors and their descendants. Gas Chambers: Denial or Confirmation, is the title of one. Others are entitled Freedom of Speech and the Stance of Holocaust Deniers in the West, and The Current Laws Against Holocaust Deniers.

With no trace of irony, Iranian officials said the conference — sponsored by the Institute for Political and International Studies, a foreign ministry think tank — would include archives, photographs and demographic evidence to establish whether the number of victims was exaggerated.

“Our aim is scientifically to study the Holocaust and listen to both sides before reaching a conclusion,” said Manouchehr Mohammadi, the foreign ministry spokesman for research. “We weren’t involved in this event so we can be a neutral judge. If we conclude that the Holocaust happened, we will admit it, but we are still going to ask why the Palestinians have to pay the price.”

Iranian sources said the conference emerged from a behind-the-scenes struggle. Foreign ministry officials are well aware that it will have a negative impact on the country’s image at a time when Iran is already under pressure at the United Nations over its nuclear programme, support for Hezbollah in Lebanon and Shi’ite groups in Iraq.

Hence, although Ahmadinejad has been publicly flagging the conference for almost a year, foreign ministry officials who were supposed to organise it have been dragging their feet. Forced to go ahead by the president, the foreign ministry tried to portray the conference as an exercise in free speech. It was at pains to point out that Iran has a community of 25,000 Jews. who are protected by the government.

One foreign ministry official said: “Does this conference make sense politically for Iran? No. The conference is being held to answer the questions of the president.” Tony Blair, who was invited, called it “shocking, ridiculous and stupid”.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: antisemitism; holocaust; iran; jews; secondholocaust
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A cruise missile aimed at the conference would do a world of good. Afterwards we can tell their families that it never happened and they're conspiracy kooks for thinking so.

Regards, Ivan

1 posted on 12/10/2006 3:20:06 AM PST by MadIvan
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To: Mrs Ivan; odds; DCPatriot; Texican; Watery Tart; Deetes; Barset; fanfan; LadyofShalott; Tolik; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 12/10/2006 3:20:29 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: MadIvan

I love the way you think, Ivan.

Can we make you Supreme Commander of the World?


3 posted on 12/10/2006 3:21:55 AM PST by CheyennePress
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To: CheyennePress
I don't think a lot of people would be happy if I were. Much of the Middle East would be a smouldering ruin...apart from the parts incorporated into Greater Israel.

Hillary and Bill would be at Guantanamo, in a tiny, un-air conditioned cell with Yoko Ono "music" piped in 24 hours a day...and forced to share a bed.

Hollywood would be bulldozed and replaced with all the nuclear power generators required by the United States.

The list goes on...

Regards, Ivan

4 posted on 12/10/2006 3:27:42 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: MadIvan
Like in Nazi Germany, anti-Semitism has been elevated to official state policy, designed to lay the groundwork for Israel's destruction. We've seen it all before.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

5 posted on 12/10/2006 3:31:59 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: MadIvan
If we conclude that the Holocaust happened, we will admit it, but we are still going to ask why the Palestinians have to pay the price.”

They'll never admit to the Holocaust nor that the Jews left their homeland in the first place because of muslim oppression and aggression.

6 posted on 12/10/2006 3:42:19 AM PST by prairiebreeze (Unapologetically Celebrating the Birth of Christ!!)
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To: MadIvan

I really feel like we've entered the twilight zone this week. Between the ISG report, secret meetings between terrorists and democrats, and now a conference to prove there was no holocaust! Islam is known for rewriting history or obliterating it(statues in Afghanastan that were destroyed by the taliban).

Iran is trying to rewrite history. I often wondered in my younger years why the Jews worked so hard to remind us all of the holocaust. Every day it become more and more clear why, for it looks like certain parts of our world are destined to repeat it.


7 posted on 12/10/2006 3:45:06 AM PST by EBH
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To: MadIvan
Iran is NOTHING compared to you tube, watch this video that is FEATURED. (warning it has some cussing at the end) I guarantee it will be Bill O'reilly's ridiculous item of the day. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8x14cLGh5o
8 posted on 12/10/2006 3:47:09 AM PST by ryan125
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To: MadIvan

A cruise missile aimed at the conference would do a world of good. Afterwards we can tell their families that it never happened and they're conspiracy kooks for thinking so.

lo f- l!


9 posted on 12/10/2006 3:47:21 AM PST by Mac1 (=)
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To: MadIvan

I'm sure that many of my fellow Freepers will remember the original big screen production of the 'Twilight Zone', with various vignettes, one of which starred the late Vic Morrow (famous for his portrayal of Sgt Saunders in 'Combat'), in the 'Zone movie, Morrow played the worst sort of bigot, he had an axe to grind against Jews, blacks, all of 'em, and he suddenly finds himself being transported into the shoes of each one of the groups he hates so much, and the final scene of his movie vignette shows him as a Jew among a box car packed with fellow Jews, on his way to a concentration camp, he's looking out the slats of the car and sees his friends who are drunkenly coming out of a bar, singing Christmas carols (it's Christmas), and there he is, on his way to an eventual gas chamber, 'compliments of the Third Reich, and the Twilight Zone'. Rod Serling no doubt was nodding in approval at that mini-episode.

And that I believe is what God (the REAL God, not that phony baloney calling itself 'allah') is going to do for Iran's own little runt, Mr. Ahmadjihad one day.

Hopefullly, sooner rather than later.

Israel remains God's people, God's property, and God's legacy for the Ages.

Mess with Israel and you mess with God.

That mustachioed little twerp is going to discover that rule of nature too late I suspect.

'Submitted for your approval....'


10 posted on 12/10/2006 3:52:23 AM PST by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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I put up with it for about 30 seconds. It's fairly disgusting that some liberal mother or father put their child up to this.

Regards, Ivan

11 posted on 12/10/2006 3:52:52 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: MadIvan

You have MY vote Ivan!

:)


12 posted on 12/10/2006 3:53:25 AM PST by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: MadIvan

Come on now, quit teasing.
Bill and Hill in the same bed? NOw that's funny.


13 posted on 12/10/2006 3:53:39 AM PST by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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To: Mac1

I bet all those Jewish Liberals and Hollywood types are really happy now for supporting the Dems. Lets talk to Iran who changed it name from Persia to Iran for support of the Nazi's


14 posted on 12/10/2006 3:53:39 AM PST by scooby321
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To: MadIvan
I really like the way you think Ivan.

L

15 posted on 12/10/2006 3:54:16 AM PST by Lurker (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.)
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To: MadIvan
did you get to the part where she compares the republican party to Nazi's and says they kill innocent people? or the armored Christian soldiers killing Indians...if Youtube didn't have free slightly illegal music videos on it i would never touch that website.
16 posted on 12/10/2006 3:55:33 AM PST by ryan125
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To: MadIvan
"If we conclude that the Holocaust happened, we will admit it, but we are still going to ask why the Palestinians have to pay the price."

Wait guys, lemme save you the trouble. It happened, no joke.

Why would the Palestinians have to pay? How about the Mufti of Jerusalem supporting Hitler, advocating the same treatment of Jews in then "Palestine." The real reason they pay the price of eternal war is it helps distract from autocrats and theocrats screwing with their own people.

Ditto to your thoughts Ivan. These people are lower than snake crap. They're the pseudo-intellectual face of Antisemitism.

17 posted on 12/10/2006 3:56:35 AM PST by mbennett203 ("Bulrog, a tough brute ninja who has dedicated his life to eradicating the world from hippies.")
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To: Joe Boucher
Bill and Hill in the same bed? NOw that's funny.

It would be the ultimate torture for both of them. I believe the cell should only be accessible from a hatch in the roof, so that whoever their jailers are can look down on them whenever they're addressed. Being looked down upon rather than the reverse would be an educational experience for them both.

Regards, Ivan

18 posted on 12/10/2006 3:57:23 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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"Hillary and Bill would be at Guantanamo, in a tiny, un-air conditioned cell with Yoko Ono "music" piped in 24 hours a day...and forced to share a bed."

Now that would constitute torture.


19 posted on 12/10/2006 3:57:58 AM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: ryan125
did you get to the part where she compares the republican party to Nazi's and says they kill innocent people? or the armored Christian soldiers killing Indians...if Youtube didn't have free slightly illegal music videos on it i would never touch that website.

I got that far. Of course she doesn't say that the most murderous ideology was Communism.

Regards, Ivan

20 posted on 12/10/2006 3:58:11 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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