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Mary Cheney's Pregnancy Affects Us All
Townhall ^ | December 7, 2006 | Janice Shaw Crouse PhD, Concerned Women for America

Posted on 12/08/2006 8:31:16 PM PST by rakovskii

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To: Central Scrutiniser

No, he was NOT guilty of the crime he was put on trial for.


381 posted on 12/09/2006 12:00:21 AM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
There is NO "God given right" for children to be raised by fathers. Throughout recorded history, many children have never known their own fathers because of ....

Your anecdotes do not align with the aggregate patterns of behavior and the steady progress of Western civilization towards "spiritual man" and away from "animal man" for 5000 years up until the past 40 years, when elites in the US and Europe starting trying to shove Marxism down everyone's throat.

382 posted on 12/09/2006 12:02:17 AM PST by Albion Wilde (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. -2 Cor 3:17)
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To: bruinbirdman

And there you have it. :) Does the "dialectic of negative criticism" have any nexus with the "nattering nabobs of negativism?" Just asking, just because I can. The best thing in life is to ask a question. Just ask any lawyer.


383 posted on 12/09/2006 12:02:20 AM PST by Torie
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To: Torie

The burden of proof rests on both sides to make their case the best they can. Don't sit there and tell me I have to make a case when you haven't made your own.

I try to keep an open mind, but on certain issues I've seen too much to fall for what some try to pass off as reasoned.


384 posted on 12/09/2006 12:02:34 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking it's heritage.)
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To: nopardons

I stand corrected, but bringing up a case from 70 years ago is has nothing to do with the issue at hand.


385 posted on 12/09/2006 12:04:00 AM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Pro Evolution, Pro Stem Cell Research, Pro Science, Pro Free Thought, and Conservative)
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To: norge
Actually, no. My father was a despicable man and I don't feel as though I missed a thing by not having him in my life. I was blessed with a Grandma who loved me dearly, and in many ways, saved my life. Never deny the power of strong women- and the love of a grandmother.
386 posted on 12/09/2006 12:04:25 AM PST by rintense (Liberals stand for nothing and are against everything- unless it benefits them.)
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To: Monterrosa-24
Oh yes I concur, many her are lacking reading comprehension skills and you are one of them. Neither are you capable of writing a cogent reply.

No, Mary Cheney doesn't have a baby; it's still in utero and would NOT be viable, if extracted from that place. There was NO real "advice" given; just some condescending drivel.

387 posted on 12/09/2006 12:05:07 AM PST by nopardons
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To: Central Scrutiniser

'Bringing up beastiality is a completly non starter to this issue.'

Funny that, as opposed to bring up bringing up Ted haggard and evangelicals when the issue is gay couples? Is that any relevant.

Atleast bestiality is trying to test your theory of Govt not being involved in others personal choices.


388 posted on 12/09/2006 12:06:00 AM PST by GregH
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To: nopardons; Proud Legions; June Cleaver; paulat; Kozak
I don't really understand your logic.

I hope you don't mind me taking the liberty of attempting to spell it out more clearly.

Throughout history many children's lives have been completely horrific. In fact, many if not most children before the Victorian age lacked anything resembling a childhood. Because of this, research showing that children fare far better when raised in a two parent (that is, two married heterosexual parent) home is irrelevant. Why should societal advancement benefit children?

I think you would also do well to look in a history book. Our declaration of Independence states:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Throughout most of history "Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness" were not granted the average man. I however would not argue that they are not "God given rights" just because historically they have not existed for many.

History is a fascinating subject.......I suggest that you learn some.

Perhaps research is wrong and kids do OK in a gay home. I could at least consider that argument. The kids be damned though... that one is a tough sell.

-paridel
389 posted on 12/09/2006 12:06:40 AM PST by Paridel
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To: nopardons

This just happened to be the show that I recall watching when I heard the statement I cited. That's all!


390 posted on 12/09/2006 12:06:43 AM PST by dr_lew
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To: dr_lew

If I want to live my life as I see fit, free and unmolested, then why is that not hypocrisy if I constantly monitor, judge, and try to change the way someone else lives?


391 posted on 12/09/2006 12:06:51 AM PST by djf (They have their place. We have our place. WAKE UP!! They want to turn our place into their place!!!)
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To: Howlin
Ah, you will be roundly mocked on this forum for having the nerve to say such things publicly, even though it's the truth. Some of these people want to drag us back to the 30's and 40's!

Been there, done that :-) Survived :-)

I always wonder about the people in some of these poster's "real lives." *Shudder*

Yeah, it is natural to wonder. The way they treat people here is surely not so very different than the way they treat at least want to treat those in close proximity.

392 posted on 12/09/2006 12:06:52 AM PST by Sunsong
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To: nopardons

"...many her are lacking..."

Don't worry! We all type lousy at this hour. But you are really off into deep DU land now.


393 posted on 12/09/2006 12:08:01 AM PST by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a Russian AK-47 and a French bikini.)
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To: Central Scrutiniser

Early on this thread I expressed the opinion that society should not interfere with homosexual couples who wanted to adopt. That being said, I do think there are severe negative implications for this being accepted across the board. I have expressed my concerns. You have refused to discuss the issue with honesty.

There are certainly some behaviors that society at large has a vested interest in, accepting or denying. You recognize that, but refused to acknowledge it since you rightly assessed it would damage your absolute hands off stance. Society does have a vested interest what takes place behind closed doors.

I have stated that I think many children will be exposed to a very detrimental situation due to acceptance of homosexual adoption across the board. You folks have disagreed. Sadly it is the children who will pay.

Thanks for the give and take.


394 posted on 12/09/2006 12:09:02 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking it's heritage.)
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To: djf

Do you believe in God?


395 posted on 12/09/2006 12:09:14 AM PST by rintense (Liberals stand for nothing and are against everything- unless it benefits them.)
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To: SteveMcKing

How would you feel if complete strangers told you how to raise your kids or go about in society, judged you on the merits, mocked you because you didn't rise to everyone's expectations of a father, chastised you for moving the goalpost of life down the field?


396 posted on 12/09/2006 12:10:02 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: DoughtyOne

You know some dysfunctional gay parents I take it. Is that a fair inference, or is this some grand unified theory of yours of the total bankruptcy of the gay person's life in general, that can have no useful purpose or meaning at all, no matter what, rather than the issue at hand about gay parenting? Which is it?


397 posted on 12/09/2006 12:10:16 AM PST by Torie
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To: Albion Wilde

dream on...


398 posted on 12/09/2006 12:10:42 AM PST by Sunsong
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To: Howlin
Some of these people want to drag us back to the 30's and 40's!

Would that be the same 30s and 40s when abortion on demand wasn't approved? Just wondered...

399 posted on 12/09/2006 12:11:26 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking it's heritage.)
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To: DoughtyOne

What is acceptance?

I spent years working in an industry full of gay people, what they did in their private lives was of zero concern to me. If they had displays of affection in front of our customers, I treated it exactly the same as with hetero employees.

You can have an opinion about what takes place in other peoples homes, but honestly, seriously, that is where it ends.

You have no right to barge in and stop anyone from doing anyone sexually that occurs between 2 consenting adults in a relationship. You don't get to be sherrif.

You don't grasp the fact that you have no place, zero, nada, ningun, in what other people do in their own homes that is not a crime.

Get over it.


400 posted on 12/09/2006 12:12:24 AM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Pro Evolution, Pro Stem Cell Research, Pro Science, Pro Free Thought, and Conservative)
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