Mary Cheney's Pregnancy Affects Us All

Townhall ^ | December 7, 2006 | Janice Shaw Crouse PhD, Concerned Women for America

[my4kidsdad]

Well said!!!

[Howlin]

Who in the world is saying that Haggard isn't a hypocrite?

[Central Scrutiniser]

No, you over generalize. In this case what gay parents do is none of my business, they are not hurting anyone, not interfering with the rights of others, plain and simple.

Bringing in beastiality is not germane to the argument, is it? That is a faulty way of arguing and not worthy of discussion (btw, check the records, lots of non gays are guilty of this crime)

Your statement on adopting and abusing makes no sense, unless you meant it as satire, and if you did, it still does not address any point I made.

As for your interest in what I would be willing to tolerate, its really none of your business is it? It speaks volumes of you though, you really seem to want to be in charge of how others think don't you?

You need to mind your own business, you come across as a busybody. I thought that a basic tenet of conservatism was to be an individual and to be left alone.

[Howlin]

Your posts on this thread have been outstanding.

[nopardons]

Yes, I am and thanks for the corroboration.

It would appear that besides being abjectly lacking in any knowledge and/or understanding of history and politics, many here also don't know any biology.

[Central Scrutiniser]

What is a cliche about it?

I don't see a huge push by anti gay religious leaders to implore that their followers go out and adopt up all the available kids out there so that the evil gays don't get to them.

Do you?

[Sunsong]

Interestingly - you may get your wish. I wouldn't be surprised to see more liberal states embrace homosexuals and more conservative states be more punitive. And folks will be able to live in a state that reflects their personal beliefs.

Some may have called the freeing of slaves *trendy* and opposed it right to the end. Others may have called giving women the *vote* trendy. It doesn't matter - change is coming and not just on this issue. And some want to retreat into the past. They are free to make that choice. Probably they will not want to live in New York, California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Washington, Massachusetts etc

[DoughtyOne]

I'm not going to waste my time trying to find statistics to back up the obvious.

You and others have felt free to mention your best case scenarios as if they were the majority of cases without proof of such. Comments like, "Homosexuals who want children plan for it and are determined to provide a healthy atmosphere", were foisted off as if gospel. I'm just saying hold on a minute. There's a flip side to this coin.

Have you ever watched the gay pride parades on television? Do you know what takes place in San Francisco bath houses on weekends? Do you really think that this type of activity won't find it's way into the parental makeup if gay adoption is opened up across the board?

You're arguing a point that there really isn't much difference between homosexual parenting and heterosexual parenting. I think you're wrong.

I think acceptance of this across the board is going to lead to a lot of severely abused children. And while I do think heterosexuals can abuse children too, I find it reprehensible to think we would open up what certainly will be instances of vile lifestyles for children to be brought up in. And I'm not inferring your friends would be an example of this. I'm simply saying once the door is wide open, you'll have damned many children to an abhorrent living condition.

[nopardons]

My sentiments exactly!

[thesearethetimes...]

"Please email Martha Stewart. You guys would get along great."


Alrightythen. This probably is just a deadly combination of my poor posting skills and the lateness of the hour, but I am clearly doing an dreadful job of communicating, as well as going down in flames on understanding as well... a good a reason as any to resume lurk mode : /

[Central Scrutiniser]

Again, a weak argument, Fatty Arbuckle was guilty of a crime, how is that relevant to this argument? We aren't talking about criminals or criminal acts are we?

Focus.

(BTW, during that time, there were also several segregation laws in the South, was that OK too?)

[djf]

No, wrong, it doesn't affect me in the least. And you know, I'm freakin tired of anytime somebody out there makes some kinda choice, be it Carter or the Dixie Chicks or Gengis Khan it all the sudden being thrust on me.

I can't change them one dam bit, and wouldn't if I could, it's called free will.

And they can't change me.

So there!!!

[rintense]

Others may have called giving women the *vote* trendy.

Some of those 'others' post on FR.

[Albion Wilde]

Donating is one thing, how many kids have you adopted?

I am so sick of this lefty canard. Next time your house is on fire, Central Scrutiniser, you may not call the fire department unless you have a spouse, son or daughter serving as a firefighter. And next time someone breaks into your home, you may not call the police unless you have a spouse, son or daughter on the police force.

[nopardons]

And since you don't personally KNOW Mary Cheney, you have NO idea, whatsoever, who she is nor what she thinks. For all YOU know, she could be a far better parent than you will ever be; or not. LOL

How old are you and how many children do YOU have?

[norge]

I agree.

[DoughtyOne]

I'm sorry you couldn't grasp the point, but it was most certainly germane. The point about beastiality was that there are times when we would want to prevent certain behaviors even if they took place in private.

Of course I could be wrong. You may actually approve of that too if you're consistent.

[rintense]

I am a norge story. :)

[Monterrosa-24]

"...many here also don't know any biology."

The problem is that many don't know how to read. We all know Mary should have felt her clock ticking. But that is in the past. Now she has a baby and the advice concerned the future.

Of course another topic is whether hearing the clock is a good reason for going out to tackle some sperm without first establishing a better home environment.

[Central Scrutiniser]

I bring up Haggard as a device to point out a locical fallacy.

If posters can condemn all gay parents as some sort of evil monster, then I can, using the same fallacious logic, condemn all evangelicals as closeted hypocrital homosexual anti family abusers like Haggard.

Its not true of course, but its a logical device called Reductio ad adsurbium. Where to prove that an argument is adsurb and invalid, you introduce a similar, audacious argument.