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Brazil to let US pilots go home after crash probe
Alertnet.org ^ | December 5, 2006 | Reuters

Posted on 12/07/2006 11:23:16 AM PST by billorites

Two U.S. pilots should be allowed to go home after being forced to stay in Brazil for more than two months over their role in the country's worst air disaster, a Brazilian court ruled on Tuesday.

A court statement said Joseph Lepore, 42, and Jan Paladino, 34, would get their passports back after 72 hours, during which the police would take further testimony. The two must promise to show up when needed for the investigation and legal process.

"The measure of restricting the freedom of movement for foreigners is not backed by the domestic legal system," the statement said after the court ruled in favor of a writ seeking relief from unlawful detainment.

The pilots will likely return home, their lawyers said.

The pilots, both from New York state, have denied any responsibility for the Sept. 29 crash that killed 154 people, but had to stay in Brazil without being charged. They were put up in a Rio de Janeiro hotel.

The Legacy executive jet they piloted for New York-based ExcelAire clipped wings in mid-air with a Boeing passenger jet flown by Brazil's Gol airlines. The jet plunged into the Amazon jungle and everyone aboard died. The smaller jet lost a winglet but landed safely.

Police seized the pilots' passports after a local judge ruled they must stay in Brazil while an investigation was conducted.

Their forced stay caused a wave of protest from U.S. pilots' associations, who urged the Brazilian authorities to conduct the investigation under widely accepted international guidelines for civil aviation and not as a criminal probe.

"The judges noted that collecting technical evidence can take a long time, 10 months or even more. It wouldn't be appropriate to keep them here the entire time," a court spokesman said.

While officials and the Brazilian media were quick to accuse the U.S. pilots in the first few weeks after the crash, media attention has recently shifted toward air traffic controllers, who complain of an excessive workload, low pay and blind spots in radar coverage.

Investigators still have to find out why collision avoidance equipment did not work and why the two planes were flying toward each other at the same altitude of 37,000 feet (11,000 metres).


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: brazil; embraer; gol; golairlines

1 posted on 12/07/2006 11:23:18 AM PST by billorites
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To: billorites

From the title, it seemed that Brazil was going the way of Venezuela, even though they are a [nominal] ally. But given the content of the article, if they were imprisoned, that would be reasonable, if not necessarily the proper decision.


2 posted on 12/07/2006 11:33:11 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( If you insult a freeper in a post, ping them, too.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu


When I was reading the Brazilian press reports shortly after the accident, leaks from the preliminary investigation indicated that the American pilots were hot-rodding.

If that were the case, they should be held fully accountable for the 154 lives lost.

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3 posted on 12/07/2006 11:45:42 AM PST by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it!)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Evidently the many millions of dollars spent on a new air traffic control system failed miserably. A fully loaded passenger plane crashed with all lives lost. Rather than admit their newly installed system failed, they put the blame on the small plane that glanced the big jet, sending it to earth.

Natural to want to blame someone, anyone, but it is only right that these men be freed. They were directed to the incorrect path.

4 posted on 12/07/2006 11:45:44 AM PST by OldFriend (FALLEN HERO JEFFREY TOCZYLOWSKI, REST IN PEACE)
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To: billorites; Paleo Conservative

ping?


5 posted on 12/07/2006 11:52:15 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( If you insult a freeper in a post, ping them, too.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu; billorites; COEXERJ145; microgood; liberallarry; cmsgop; shaggy eel; ...

If you want on or off my aerospace ping list, please contact me by Freep mail.


6 posted on 12/07/2006 11:57:50 AM PST by Paleo Conservative (Karl Rove isn't magnificent.)
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To: Westbrook

Audio recordings show the Brazilian ground controllers redirecting the American plane to 37,000 feet. Sorry I don't have a link, but it was on Free Republic.


7 posted on 12/07/2006 12:08:13 PM PST by Sundog (Have you watched a good sunset lately?)
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To: Westbrook

Audio recordings show the Brazilian ground controllers redirecting the American plane to 37,000 feet.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1731102/posts


8 posted on 12/07/2006 12:09:41 PM PST by Sundog (Have you watched a good sunset lately?)
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To: Westbrook

If they were directed on an opposing course at the same altitude, that is a failure of the Air Traffic Control system. There may have been other failures along the way, as there often are in such cases. But the big screw-up is when ATC put two aircraft on a collision course.


9 posted on 12/07/2006 12:11:02 PM PST by bondjamesbond (Many Americans are invested in a US failure in Iraq, and will work diligently to bring it about.)
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To: billorites

Rep. Pete King made this happen.


10 posted on 12/07/2006 12:13:26 PM PST by wtc911 (You can't get there from here)
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To: All

Previous post here - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1748847/posts - posted DAYS ago. LOL, not really, posted Tues, with 3 replies, 2 of which were my pings to others. lol Guess the story wasn't ripe yet...


11 posted on 12/07/2006 5:05:50 PM PST by Ready4Freddy ("Everyone knows there's a difference between Muslims and terrorists. No one knows what it is, tho...)
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To: Westbrook
How do you "hot rod" in a corporate jet on an IFR clearance in supposedly controlled airspace.

There are two questions here.

1. What was ATC doing?

2. Were both aircraft equipped with TCAS and why didn't it resolve the impending collision?

12 posted on 12/07/2006 9:15:44 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Westbrook
....leaks from the preliminary investigation indicated that the American pilots were hot-rodding.

No, that was only pure speculation (obviously) from defensive Brazilian military officers, who should now be held accountable for their slanderous, inflammatory and irresponsible remarks.

http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/12_47b/leadnews/FDR_Confirms_Legacy_193813-1.html

13 posted on 12/08/2006 3:16:56 AM PST by zipper
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To: zipper
The report says flight data recorder information from the Legacy jet confirms that it was flying straight and level and at a steady speed up to the time of the collision, debunking rumors that the pilots had indulged in "abnormal maneuvers." There was no indication of any TCAS alert onboard either airplane, no evidence of pre-collision visual acquisition by any flight crewmember on either aircraft, and no evidence of evasive action taken by either crew

That is weird that the TCAS didn't go off since it only requires Mode 3/C to work. Unless one of the transponders wasn't working correctly and was sending out a grossly incorrect altitude the TCAS should have gone off.

14 posted on 12/08/2006 7:35:20 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: USNBandit
That is weird that the TCAS didn't go off since it only requires Mode 3/C to work. Unless one of the transponders wasn't working correctly and was sending out a grossly incorrect altitude the TCAS should have gone off.

Wierd, but it's possible one of them had a malfunctioning or inoperative transponder (maybe even accidentally selected off) and didn't know it.

If one or the other aircraft's transponder was inoperative, neither airplane would get a TCAS alert.

If the other aircraft has a transponder but no TCAS, you get alerts on him, but he gets nothing. If the traffic also has altitude reporting, then both resolution advisories are coordinated.

If the traffic does not have altitude reporting on his transponder, then you get only a traffic advisory, regardless of the conflict.

15 posted on 12/08/2006 12:23:01 PM PST by zipper
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To: zipper

oops wierd = weird


16 posted on 12/08/2006 12:26:22 PM PST by zipper
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To: billorites

The pilots are back in the US now - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061209/ap_on_re_us/brazil_plane_crash


17 posted on 12/09/2006 3:58:08 PM PST by Ready4Freddy ("Everyone knows there's a difference between Muslims and terrorists. No one knows what it is, tho...)
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To: Paleo Conservative

I'm still trying to understand how that little biz jet took down a 737? Where could it have impacted to cause a large passenger jet to be incapacitated?


18 posted on 12/12/2006 7:45:49 AM PST by jaydubya2
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To: jaydubya2

A Freeper sent me a Powerpoint file showing the investigation's reconstruction of events. The winglet of the Embraer sliced off about ten feet of the 737's right wing.


19 posted on 12/12/2006 7:54:01 AM PST by Paleo Conservative (Karl Rove isn't magnificent.)
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