Defense Secretary Nominee Gates is a Defeatist

December 5th 2006 | jveritas

[jveritas]

Our enemy lives and survives on being embolden by a defeatist attitude form our side. When you are at war you do not give aid and comfort to the enemy by saying we are not winning. We are not in a church confession here, we are in war and we must win because if we do not, then the consequences will be beyond our worst imaginable nightmares.

[jveritas]

Churchill did not go on Radio and told the world that Britain is not winning the war.

[rhombus]

Our enemy lives and survives on being embolden by a defeatist attitude form our side. When you are at war you do not give aid and comfort to the enemy by saying we are not winning. We are not in a church confession here, we are in war and we must win because if we do not, then the consequences will be beyond our worst imaginable nightmares.

In other words what you are saying has been said before...NUTS!

[Jim W N]

Winning Iraq would make him a great President, losing makes him the worst. And it's up to him to sell the public.

I'm not convinced that Bush is committed to winning this thing. This latest move adds to my concern.

[Austin Willard Wright]

Right, but the liberals only have losing strategies, whether its in war or economics. Reagan showed us how to win the War on Poverty through less taxes, less government, and more freedom in the marketplace. FDR's New Deal and Johnson's Great Society created poverty.

Reagan never made the utopian claim that we can "win the War on Poverty." He knew that poverty will always be with us. It is possible to provide more opportunities for the poor through smaller government but some people will always fail to take advantage of those opportunities.

[rhombus]

Reagan never made the utopian claim that we can "win the War on Poverty." He knew that poverty will always be with us. It is possible to provide more opportunities for the poor through smaller government but some people will always fail to take advantage of those opportunities.

How about the War on Drugs?

[jveritas]

In Iraq we are fighting all the main terrorism actors in the world Al Qaeda, Syria and Iran. If we do not defeat them in Iraq and if we lose there because we lost our will to fight then God help us all. The nightmare will be horrible beyond belief.

[PghBaldy]

The problem with that concept of "winning" is that it is determined by the Iraqis, not us.

[jveritas]

Do you think so? Is he playing politics, emboldenening our enemies, and demoralizing our troops so he will get confirmed? Very sad and very horrible if this is the case.

[PISANO]

It is beyond ignorant to say WE ARE LOSING THE WAR!!!

While all is not well nor is the WAR going the way we would like it to go or the way it was intended, TO SAY, "WE ARE LOSING" is nothing more than pandering to the left, demoralizing to our troops and ignorant of the entire HISTORY of WARFARE!!

[PghBaldy]

I would think the question of whether or not Iran gets nukes may have something to do with his placement in history.

[oldbrowser]

Gates is saying what he needs to in order to get confirmed.

Exactly. Why do these people go hysterical so quickly?

Don't they sound like the MSM?

I wonder?

[jveritas]

Exactly.

[Racehorse]

If cut-and-run is the new policy, as it appears to be, then God help us all.

Wait till February or March. By then, the new Congress will have the real political battlelines drawn and we'll know what Bush (and Gates) intend to do about them. We'll also begin to have an idea about something equally important: what the likely 2008 American voters will support.

[Jim W N]

President bush would have never lead us into a war which we could not win.

Again, we CAN win. Haven't seen leadership demonstrating a WILL and DETERMINATION to win.

[pissant]

I miss Rummy already. What a flippin milquetoast.

[elhombrelibre]

Many people in the US do not understand how our candid discussion and honest disagreements inspire our enemies. Many of our enemies do not, and never have, understand that our differences do not mean we're quiting. We may be getting ready to cut and run. Obviously, the Democrats favor abandoning the Iraqis to the same fate they left South Vietnam, Cambodia, and Cubans to. On the other hand, most Americans, I believe, won't want to have this end with genocide and complete destruction in Iraq. Much needs to be done to make Iraq viable, but cut and run isn't it.

[Eccl 10:2]

"he must not say in public that we are not winning the war in Iraq"

At this point, we will never win the war in Iraq until we deal with Iran decisively

We have allowed the Liberals to turn this into another Vietnam, where we can't fight to win, and can't crush a meddling country (Iran/Cambodia).

[rbmillerjr]

It is time to get out.

It's one thing when the libs and media want to turn this into a Vietnam. Now our own Defense Secretary.

We should have kicked their ass (which our great military did) with about 200 men dead. Then given those islamic ingrates 6 months to ge their shit together and then left.

They are not deserving of a republic or democracy. I feel bad for their kids but I feel worse for out young men and women and their families.

Get out now.

[jveritas]

You and I know the enemy more than many people in this forum with all due respect to everyone. I am originally from Lebanon and I am a Christian and I know as you do the nature of our terrorist enemy. It is on words that these people live and act, when they get comforted by defeatist words from their opponents, they get more embolden and they will attack us more and more. Some people on this forum, only few to be honest, do not know the most horrible and beyond any of our worst imaginable nightmares that will happen if we lost our will and defeat Al Qaeda, Syria, and Iran inside Iraq.