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Policies 'push Muslims to violence'
The Daily Mail ^ | 4th December 2006

Posted on 12/04/2006 12:27:00 AM PST by Mrs Ivan

Attempts by the Government to engage with the Muslim community have backfired and are driving people into the arms of violent extremists, it has been claimed.

A report by the think tank Demos said government initiatives since the July 7 attacks in London had tended to "drive a wedge" between Muslims and the wider community rather than isolate the extremists.

The report - which was part funded by the Department for Communities and Local Government - accused ministers of failing to engage with Muslims over "reasonable" grievances, including British foreign policy in Iraq and elsewhere.

The Government's attempts to involve Muslims in policy-making are criticised as being "rushed, conducted on the Government's terms, failing to break away from 'the usual suspects' and with little follow through".

The report said: "In the meeting rooms of Whitehall, ministers were assuring Muslim leaders of the need for partnership, but in press briefings they were talking of the need for Muslims to 'get serious' about terrorism, spy on their children, and put up with inconveniences in the greater good of national security."

It said that the Government's actions are breeding "resentment and alienation" among Muslims, playing into the the hands of the extremists.

"Despite some commendable attempts at engagement, the Government's actions continue to drive a wedge between the majority of British Muslims and the rest of society, rather than isolating the violent few," the report said.

Hampering the Governments efforts has been an overly simplistic characterisation of Muslim communities, which fails to account for the diversity of local experience.

"By viewing Muslims as a single interest group the Government has failed to draw a clear enough distinction between angry Muslim opinion and those that would seek to inflict violence and terror.

"The result is that rather than being isolated, extremists are able to attract support from communities cut adrift from mainstream British society."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: islam; uk; whingingmuslims
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For goodness sake, if I bombed a train or bus every time I objected to a government policy the entire transport infrastructure of the UK would've been destroyed on the grounds of back door tax hikes.

If so called moderate muslims are feeling isolated and they want people to like them they could make a good start ba actually condemning the "violent few", putting Britain above their religion, learning to speak English and coming out of their "communtities" and integrating.

1 posted on 12/04/2006 12:27:05 AM PST by Mrs Ivan
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To: Mrs Ivan
Leftist psychobabble about the need to understand and conciliate an enemy that wants Britons dead. This passes beyond stupidity.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

2 posted on 12/04/2006 12:29:25 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Mrs Ivan

It's all your fault for breathing I guess. ?


3 posted on 12/04/2006 12:31:41 AM PST by kinoxi
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To: Mrs Ivan
I suppose deporting the lot of them is out of the question.

Pity that.

It used to be that calling for the destruction of ones own nation was a criminal act punishable very severely.

Why those a**hats displaying those signs after the cartoon kerfluffle weren't rounded up and put on slow boats back to their 3rd world crap hole of origin is beyond me.

You folks don't even have a Constitution so there wouldn't be any whining about their 'rights'.

Better yet, cut off their welfare and make them get jobs. Then they'll be too busy to bitch.

L

4 posted on 12/04/2006 12:32:03 AM PST by Lurker (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.)
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To: Mrs Ivan

Ferdinand & Isabella faced a somewhat similar problem in Spain, in 1492.


5 posted on 12/04/2006 12:33:45 AM PST by GSlob
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To: Mrs Ivan

Just more of the justification that Muslims should be considered the religion of peace. It will be to the demise of Britain to follow this line of thinking.


6 posted on 12/04/2006 12:42:29 AM PST by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: taxesareforever
Sounds like they want a needs assessment with extreme prejudice
7 posted on 12/04/2006 12:54:11 AM PST by spokeshave (The Democrat Party stands for open treason in a time of war.)
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To: Mrs Ivan

The language of victimhood is so ingrained in liberals that they can't comprehend personal responsibilty for one's actions.


8 posted on 12/04/2006 2:08:04 AM PST by tkathy (The choice is clear: White hat people or white flag people.)
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The language of victimhood is so ingrained in liberals that they can't comprehend personal responsibilty for one's actions.

That is the biggest reason why muslims think we don't have the will to resist their encroachment on our civilization.

9 posted on 12/04/2006 2:26:46 AM PST by AlaskaErik (Everyone should have a subject they are ignorant about. I choose professional corporate sports.)
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To: Mrs Ivan
Today, high of 70 degrees with a possibility of light showers. Muslims pushed to violence.
10 posted on 12/04/2006 2:29:04 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: tkathy
The language of victimhood is so ingrained in liberals that they can't comprehend personal responsibilty for one's actions.

Liberals have never accepted responsibility for their actions, they have always claimed it was "someone else's fault".

It's what makes them liberals....

11 posted on 12/04/2006 2:30:29 AM PST by dirtbiker (I've tried to see the liberal point of view, but I couldn't get my head up my a$$....)
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To: Mrs Ivan
Require men to bathe and shave regularly. Using SOAP. The Moslems will leave.

It is a health and hygene issue. Really. British National Health has the Power. Delousing prevents Typhus.

Of course, it would require PUBLIC EDUCATION effort to teach Moslems and Frenchmen what SOAP is, and how it is used.

Sadly, this is not a joke.

12 posted on 12/04/2006 2:30:32 AM PST by JohnCliftn (In War: Resolution. In Defeat: Defiance. In Victory: Magnanimity. In Peace: Good Will. - Churchill)
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To: Mrs Ivan

It seems anything not Shira has the effect of “driving people into the arms of violent extremists”.


13 posted on 12/04/2006 2:31:19 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: Mrs Ivan

"Kill Me Last" Alert


14 posted on 12/04/2006 2:32:53 AM PST by Squeako (ACLU: "Only Christians, Boy Scouts and War Memorials are too vile to defend.")
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To: JohnCliftn
Require men to bathe and shave regularly. Using SOAP.

Made from lard.

15 posted on 12/04/2006 2:43:53 AM PST by Mojave
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To: Mrs Ivan

“Surviving Mohammedism: A Guide for Countering PC Idiots in the 21st Century”

This is not going to be an interminable tract delineating the scope and the magnitude of the barbarous assault Mohammedism (let’s not use PC compliant terms like “Islam”) is waging against the West; that’s been done already, copiously recorded and reported in any number of broadcast and print media, blogs and internet web sites. This is a simple program; it requires no organizational skill or gathering of resources, capital, or mass membership in some cause driven assembly or caravan of fellow-travellers. It is simply a set of personal rules to follow daily and to adhere to without deviance for any reason.

Let’s begin then.

Rule One. If you attend a church, synagogue, temple, or participate in some other religious/spiritual/charitable congregation of like-minded fellows, and the leadership (pastors, rabbis, priests, gurus or what have you) describes Mohammedism as a religion of peace, as being one of the three “Great Abrahamic Monotheistic Religions” the other two being Judaism and Christianity, you must either persuade the leadership to stop stating this absurdity or you must stop attending, participating, tithing, or supporting the organization. Just say “no”. And then act on your decision. Vote with your time, with your support and with your money. The black rock deity, “Allah” was no more than an Arabic pagan moon god that Mohammed cynically appropriated for personal gain, power and booty remains to this day a lifeless pebble baking in a Godless desert hellhole, a massive deception mindlessly venerated by deceived, largely illiterate, pagan adherents, a massive fraud perpetuated through violent enslavement and bloodshed at the tip of the sword. Mohammedism is a no exit, no choice, demonic, death cult.

Rule Two. Politically, all elected officials from Town Administrator to President of the United States, desperately need your support, money, and vote. Any elected official that makes the above claim about Mohammedism, and then appends that the peaceful religion of Islam has been “hi-jacked” by radical extremists, must never receive your support, money, or your vote. Find someone rational, committed to truth and courageous in defending truth that deserves your support. Do not support or vote for appeasers and apologists for Mohammedism who renege on their constitutional oath to “Protect, Honour and Defend the People and the Constitution of the United States from all Enemies Foreign and Domestic”. Just say no. And stand by your convictions (this rule applies to officials who refuse to defend our borders as well but that will be addressed in a different tract “Surviving Illegal Aliens: An Idiot’s Guide to the Traitors Who Are Destroying our Borders and Surrendering our Culture”).

Rule Three. Identify those products and/or services that fund any Mohammedan run company or proselytizing activity and boycott them. Just say no. This is fairly easy to do as the Mohammedan world exports little of consequence except of course, oil and terror. How to get along without oil? Find alternatives you can afford and apply them to your lifestyle. Telecommute/teleconference whenever you can, walk or bike to the market, postpone or cancel travel to the extent you are able. Buy a hybrid vehicle, or convert to burn used vegetable oil in your car; buy a scooter (150 mpg), get a coal, wood, or wood pellet burning stove, or if your climate is sunny, look into solar and solar assisted energy systems. Buy a push mower. Wind power is available if you live where wind is constant. Even if you live in a place populated by fat, selfish, hypocritical limousine liberals like Ted Kennedy who oppose wind power farms off Cape Cod fearing their ocean front compound views will be aesthetically diminished, you can buy and install smaller wind generator units for personal use. Burn candles for lighting and enjoy the ambience! Dry your wash on a clothesline. View every watt you convert or conserve through an alternate energy source as one more bullet in the neck of the Mohammedan terror. (Hugo Chavez’ socialist dictatorship in Venezuela can also be in your sights which is just a happy bonus.)

Rule Four. Any politician unwilling to expand exploration and refinery capacity in the United States of America is undeserving of being an American much less a leader of our nation. Just say no, and vote them out office.

Rule Five. Identify Mohammedan institutions operating in the United States and peacefully do all in your power to cut off their air (boycott them economically of course), and to embarrass, mock and ridicule them.
The Koran, the Hadiths, the Sunnah, and Sharia Jurisprudence will provide more than all the ammunition you will ever need. Disrupt their public gatherings with proof of their perfidy and violence. Mohammedans will not disappoint you. Their howls of anguish will not be pleas to reconcile their differences with you but will consist of calls for your total, utterly violent and bloody destruction. Mohammedans have outlawed (under pain of death) any faith but Mohammedism not only in their “spiritual homeland” of Saudi Arabia (our “ally”) but in every Mohammedan country including the recently “liberated” Iraq and Afghanistan. Compute also the life expectancy of a Christian living and proclaiming his faith in Turkey, Egypt, Pakistan, or Jordan, and you will find that for Christians living openly and sharing their faith, life is “nasty, brutish and short”. Shall we not fairly reciprocate in kind in our own national, spiritual homeland, the United States of America? Should we ignore the words of Winston Churchill’s prescient warning to pre-war Britain, to not feed the crocodile in our midst in the hope that we shall be devoured last?

Rule Six. Mohammedism is a terror-based death cult and has always been a terror-based death cult. It is not and has never been a “religion of peace”. Whenever you are asked what we should do about Mohammedism or about stopping the terror Mohammedism visits daily on the civilized world, smile gently and say “Kill them all of course, unless they recant and discard their bloody, terrorist, so-called religion.” Then you should ask politely “what do you think we should do?” Be pleasant at all costs, the solution is admittedly harsh, however, considering the solution is in fact the demonstrated course of action the Mohammedans have embarked on against us, you are merely being reasonable. No sense being obnoxious about it, the Mohammedans picked the fight and they made the rules; which are simple: there are no rules. No other fix is possible or even imaginable. Mohammedism must be destroyed and you must be unabashed to advance the premise that the destruction of Mohammedism is an imperative rather than a choice among options. I personally do not view dhimmitude as an option for Americans. I leave that option to the Eurabians—they have already opted for dhimmitude. Buh bye Chirac!!! Best wishes mon ami; if we have time and a surplus, we will send you some of the Korans we will all soon be burning as fuel in our wood stoves all over the United States…

Rule Seven. Do not give aid or comfort to the enemy. Do not patronize any 7-11, Golden Gallon, Stop and Go, etc., that employs Mohammedan workers. Same rule applies for hotels and restaurants, landscapers, retail stores, airlines, manufacturers or any other commercial activity. Inform them what you are doing and why you are doing it. Cut off the air supply of your money. Do not knowingly hire Mohammedans. In contrast, do support and encourage with your prayers and friendship any former Mohammedan who has recanted his enslavement to Mohammed and adopted a worldview based on individual freedom and choice. Converting them to Christianity is preferable, but not necessarily inevitable. Truth or its effect on personal conscience sometimes arrives in stages; Atheism is preferable to Mohammedism. Belief in nothing bears its own cost; over time Atheism finds its own vacuum intolerable. Atheism is a faith system of its own, a non-introspective denial of reality, subject to constant testing and validation, two processes Atheism cannot long endure, especially if the adherent is merely inattentive or bored rather than a committed evangelist for the abyss ahead.

Rule Eight. Arm yourself with both truth and weapons. The truth will be your abiding comfort; the weapons will be your defence in the coming war between the West and Mohammedism. The “War on Terror” is a malapropism at best and moral cowardice at worst. You will be unarmed for the imminent, inexorable confrontation between American freedom and enslavement under Mohammedism if you neglect to prepare. Do not allow yourself (or your loved ones) to be lulled to sleep by the chattering appeasing surrender monkeys in Paris, London, Berlin, and Washington who are even now negotiating treaties, offering bribes from our national treasure, capitulating while weakly pleading for peace from an implacable, death worshipping enemy committed to our destruction. Forget Europe. Europe will be of no assistance to America. Europe has already descended into darkness. Americans love life and freedom and will sacrifice blood and treasure if need be to preserve both. Mohammedans fear life and freedom; instead they seek death to escape the responsibility of life and to avoid the hard labour and true moral courage to establish and maintain freedom. There simply are no Mohammedans living in freedom in any Mohammedan ruled nation on earth.

Rule Nine. When you meet a Mohammedan, ask the following two part question: “Do you support the constitution of the United States and will you put America first in all you do, or are you a faithful Mohammedan first, lying in ambush to destroy our freedom and to conquer my country?” Be sure to tell them (before they answer), you do not ask the question to get an answer. You fully expect they will lie to you in any event, whether they affirm the former and deny the latter or pick a third position (deception is an honoured and celebrated art form among these deceitful wretches). You just want to let them know that you, as an American, have already made up your mind on what we will do regardless of their answer; Mohammedans are not welcome in our country as long as they are Mohammedans. Warn all Mohammedans that the day is coming when all the Mohammedans will leave America whether they want to or not. Americans will not concern themselves over how they leave; under their own power or in a body bag as long as they leave. After all, this is what Mohammedans intend to do to us and have done to us in their nations as well as here in America.

Rule Ten. Post and write everything you know about the “religion of peace” all over the internet, on store bulletin boards, telephone poles, and to your local paper. Get your own website and sell merchandise supporting the elimination of the terror spawning cult of Mohammedism. Call them Mohammedans whenever you refer to them. They really hate this because it is exactly what they are (and what they have always been called by all educated westerners until PC and a general acceptance of dhimmitude began to re-shape our language and distort every useful word or phrase employed for the purpose of discernment and judgment). Honestly naming and identifying the nature and cruel designs of the filthy author and sole vector of an insane, virulent, violent ideology of terror is appropriate and necessary. One cannot deny that Mohammedism has enslaved and condemned billions to utter despair and hopelessness in this life as well as to eternal death in the next. Until the death cult of Mohammed is finally eradicated from among all the nations of Earth, you and your loved ones will forever live under an increasingly imminent threat of death and violence at their hands.


16 posted on 12/04/2006 3:37:59 AM PST by the anti-mahdi
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This is b.s.
Mooselimbs are 99.9 percent of the worlds terrorists.
They have contributed zero to the world in the last 1000 years.
I'd have a complex too if I were that pathetic.


17 posted on 12/04/2006 4:07:41 AM PST by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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To: Mrs Ivan

It's very simple: If you try to accomodate & reason with them, you look weak. If you look weak, more of them decide that the radical Islamists know what they're talking about and join them. Iterate this cycle a few times and you've got real problems.

When it comes to Islamists, try to placate them and they will punch you and spit on you. Kick them in the teeth and they will lick your boots. Same thing works with Leftists BTW, cause they are cut from the same cloth.


18 posted on 12/04/2006 4:28:05 AM PST by rbg81 (1)
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To: Mrs Ivan

Get out of my way. Let me behead whom I please and rape the women I wish to rape. If not allowed to do as I please, I am going to become violent.


19 posted on 12/04/2006 4:30:00 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Mrs Ivan

Oh for heaven's sake...the imams preach to not cooperate with the secular police...


20 posted on 12/04/2006 4:31:01 AM PST by EBH
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