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10 SECONDS OF HELL IN QUEENS (Driver refuses officer's order to halt)
NY Post ^ | 11/27/2006 | Murray Weiss

Posted on 11/27/2006 7:55:30 AM PST by RGSpincich

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Dramatic new details of the deadly mayhem include the undercover cop at one point climbing onto the hood of Bell's car - his gun drawn and his police shield around his neck - screaming, "Police! Turn off your car! Let me see your hands!" said sources who talked to some of the cops involved in the shooting.

When Bell then tried to run down the plainclothes officer - twice - the cop began shooting, with some of his 11 bullets piercing the rear window of the man's Nissan Altima, the sources said. -snip-

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To: Southerngl

"Police! Turn off your car! Let me see your hands!"

What part of those words didnt they understand. Follow orders and you stay alive. Pretty simple stuff.


21 posted on 11/27/2006 8:08:09 AM PST by Long Island Pete
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To: wideawake

From most accounts, the confusion caused the cops to open fire (one officer fired first)and his car was trying to escape the gunfire.


22 posted on 11/27/2006 8:08:09 AM PST by jjm2111 (http://www.purveryors-of-truth.blogspot.com)
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To: RGSpincich

Very appropo................GOOD one!


23 posted on 11/27/2006 8:08:09 AM PST by litehaus (A memory tooooo long)
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To: RGSpincich
I think if a cop tells you to stop and you instead try to run him over he has the right to shoot you. I don't know if so many rounds were needed but if you haven't figured out in your teenage years to stop when told to by a police man then you will suffer. I am sad he was to get married and leaves a sweetheart and two children but he should have stopped and found out why he was being stopped.
24 posted on 11/27/2006 8:08:38 AM PST by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance and dilligaf?)
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To: RGSpincich

I would like to know exactly what happened not that the suspect "tried to run the officers down". Not infrequently, the cops accuse anyone of fleeing in a car to be trying to assault them.


25 posted on 11/27/2006 8:09:15 AM PST by Ford4000
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To: L98Fiero

No I don't know it, but the NY Post is a generally pro-cop newspaper. From all I know, and I live in the area, the cops f**ked up. I have friends on the NYPD, so I'll find out soon enough.


26 posted on 11/27/2006 8:10:09 AM PST by jjm2111 (http://www.purveryors-of-truth.blogspot.com)
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To: b4its2late
"Bell had been arrested three times in the past: twice for drugs and one on a gun rap in a case that was sealed.
Guzman has been busted nine times, including for armed robbery.
He spent two stretches in state prison in the '90s.
Benefield has a sealed record as a juvenile for gun possession and robbery. "
27 posted on 11/27/2006 8:11:16 AM PST by prognostigaator
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To: joe fonebone

>>>last time I checked a 4000 pound rolling piece of metal is considered a deadly weapon when used as a weapon....>>>

Yes, I forgot the sarcasm tag.


28 posted on 11/27/2006 8:11:35 AM PST by Southerngl (When people fail to control themselves, they settle for controlling others.)
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To: Hang'emAll

>>>But he wasn't armed!!!....
I believe he was armed. His vehicle became a deadly weapon when he used it to run over the police. The perp was using deadly force just as if he had he been using a pick ax instead of the car to attack the police.>>>

Yes, I was being sarcastic.


29 posted on 11/27/2006 8:12:53 AM PST by Southerngl (When people fail to control themselves, they settle for controlling others.)
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To: prognostigaator

"Benefield has a sealed record as a juvenile for gun possession and robbery."

whoops! let the cat out of the bag on that one.
I sure feel better about the whole "sealed" thing now.

/sarcasm tag running around screaming


30 posted on 11/27/2006 8:12:57 AM PST by stompk
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To: RGSpincich

Too much partying.


31 posted on 11/27/2006 8:13:13 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: Southerngl; tx_eggman
>>>last time I checked a 4000 pound rolling piece of metal is considered a deadly weapon when used as a weapon....>>>

Yes, I forgot the sarcasm tag.

Only if it's an SUV. They kill people, dontcha know...

32 posted on 11/27/2006 8:13:23 AM PST by SpinnerWebb (Islam... if ya can't join 'em, beat 'em.)
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To: jjm2111
but all evidence points to it being the cop's fault.

So a cop who just got hit by a punk in a car is wrong for defending himself with his weapon? Bell drove his car into the cop, and then repeatedly rammed a police mini-van, and you say the cops are at fault?

Damn, I'm sure glad to have FReepers like you around!

/s


33 posted on 11/27/2006 8:13:30 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance ( <h2>SAY NO TO RUDY! I know how to spell, I just type like s#it.)
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To: L98Fiero

>>He hurried to the front of Bell's Altima, which was parked on the side of nearby Liverpool Street, and jumped in front of it.

That's when the undercover put his right leg up on the hood of the Altima and began screaming that he was a cop, the sources said.

The cop was leaning over the hood of the car to try to see the hands of the people inside and make sure they didn't have any guns, they said. But Bell floored the gas pedal and headed for the cop, the sources said, striking him and badly cutting his knee. <<

After reading the story, I can say with confidence that I would have done exactly what Bell was doing. I would not have believed the guy was a cop and, frankly, would have feared for my life (or at the very least, my health) if I were to stop.


34 posted on 11/27/2006 8:13:36 AM PST by RobRoy
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To: Southerngl
Wow! I didn't hear that. That is overkill for sure! You shoot to incapicitate, not mutilate.

No, cops are supposed to shoot to stop the body, center mass. If one shot is justified, they all are. In this case, the first shot was jsutified.

35 posted on 11/27/2006 8:14:56 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance ( <h2>SAY NO TO RUDY! I know how to spell, I just type like s#it.)
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To: RGSpincich

btttt


36 posted on 11/27/2006 8:15:36 AM PST by dennisw
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To: jjm2111
you're editorializing the title

(Accepted practice) These run of the mill thugs got in over their heads this time.

37 posted on 11/27/2006 8:16:32 AM PST by RGSpincich
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To: prognostigaator
"Bell had been arrested three times in the past: twice for drugs and one on a gun rap in a case that was sealed.
Guzman has been busted nine times, including for armed robbery.
He spent two stretches in state prison in the '90s.
Benefield has a sealed record as a juvenile for gun possession and robbery.

Interesting.... This was a gang of dangerous thugs.

38 posted on 11/27/2006 8:19:37 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: jjm2111
some guy who was unarmed ,p>Trying to run someone over is classified in most jurisdictions as "assault with a deadly weapon."
39 posted on 11/27/2006 8:21:28 AM PST by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: RGSpincich
Detectives Endowment Association President Michael Palladino said the cops were justified in firing off a total of 50 bullets at unarmed men because Bell was using his car as a lethal weapon.

The article said one of the men with Bell had a gun. How does that make him unarmed?

Wonder where these guys were when Hillary was gunning her limo over airport security officers? Seems like they handled it pretty well.

40 posted on 11/27/2006 8:22:55 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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