Posted on 11/27/2006 6:54:06 AM PST by Princip. Conservative
Rep. Deborah Pryce is keeping her seat in Ohio 15th Congressional District. The Franklin County Board of Elections said she won by 1,054 votes over challenger Mary Jo Kilroy.
The narrow margin of victory means that there will be a recount.
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No need to apologize, I'm glad for the info!
In the senate, things are not looking good regardless. In 08, we have 21 to defend and the dems have 12, plus their 12 consist of mostly lifers from blue states.
The map in 2008 isn't that bad. Mary Landrieu has lost much of her base and Tim Johnson (SD) is vulnerable to Gov. Mike Rounds if he runs. Many, many of our incumbents are strong lifers in solid red states.
"i am well aware. alot of freepers arent looking at this realistically. if anything i think we are going to lose more seats in '08 in both the senate and house."
Please - show some faith. 2006 was a very difficult year - we're all bleeding inside and are aware that we need to make changes in the GOP, but don't forget that 2006 was strongly against us. 2008 will be a totally different year, just like 2004 and 2002 were. Historically speaking, 2006 was SUPPOSED to be a bad year - don't forget that, either.
In OH, three out of five gets you redistricting.
The five are one from each party, the governor, sec. of state, and auditor.
The dems have 4-1. But in 2010, they are all up.
If the dems keep control, look for OH to flip from 11-7 R to 12-6 dem.
"Wait until the fence-jumpers have completed their party switch. Some of the members of the former majority could still transfer to the side of the new current majority."
What fence-jumpers? I have followed the news very closely and haven't heard even the hint of this? Please qualify your statement before you allege something like this. Party switchers don't just do it for the enjoyment - there has to be a major reason. And, as others have pointed out, a disproportionately large number of RINOs were defeated this year (e.g., CT, NY and FL)
Dream on. It took the Dems 12 years to regain the House. It took the Reps 40 years to gain it. We will have a tough time hanging on to what we have. We are not going to get back the seats lost in NY, CT, and PA. The Dems will be targetting the few that are left in the Northeast.
Hoping the Dems will shoot themselves in the foot is a losing strategy. They now control the agenda and the megaphone. They will use these investigations to tar Reps as being corrupt and inept and unworthy to be running things. The one thing the Dems know best is how to use the levers of power and stay in office. Hell, they were running things in the Senate with only 44 senators.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_general_elections%2C_2006#United_States_House_of_Representatives
its even worse than 52%-45%. the updated numbers have it at 57%-41%. granted this is wikipedia and it may not be totally accurate but if these numbers are true, its a miracle we didnt lose a whole lot more than 30.
I'm skeptical of the wikipedia numbers. This liberal site has it at 51%-47%on a rough calculation, which could have since been refined, but I'm pretty certain that the results on that wikipedia page would have given the Democrats closer to 300 seats in the House.
Sorry, link:
http://www.mydd.com/story/2006/11/18/9510/3994
"The map in 2008 isn't that bad. Mary Landrieu has lost much of her base and Tim Johnson (SD) is vulnerable to Gov. Mike Rounds if he runs. Many, many of our incumbents are strong lifers in solid red states."
I have to agree with you there. A lot of the GOP'ers up in 2008 are in red states, but there are a few vulnerables like Norm Coleman. However, it's a stretch to think that John Cornyn, Lamar Alexander, Lindsey Graham, Saxby Chambliss or Liddy Dole would be defeated. If the 2006 election taught us anything, it's that southern incumbents are heavily favored for re-election. This year Senator Trent Lott of Mississippi won by a solid 64%-35%, Kay Bailey Hutchison of Texas won by 62%-36% and even the non-incumbent Republican Bob Corker of Tennessee won 51%-48% against a very strong challenger in a terrible year for his party.
"Dream on. It took the Dems 12 years to regain the House. It took the Reps 40 years to gain it. We will have a tough time hanging on to what we have. We are not going to get back the seats lost in NY, CT, and PA. The Dems will be targetting the few that are left in the Northeast.
Hoping the Dems will shoot themselves in the foot is a losing strategy. They now control the agenda and the megaphone. They will use these investigations to tar Reps as being corrupt and inept and unworthy to be running things. The one thing the Dems know best is how to use the levers of power and stay in office. Hell, they were running things in the Senate with only 44 senators."
I think you're still a little disgruntled that we lost this year. Fortunately, the Democrats are their own worst enemy and, while I'm not making big predictions for a comeback in 2008, I think that we have to see 2006 in perspective. We lost terribly - BUT it could have been worse. We're not like the Tories in Britain or something.
There's still alot of conservative Dems holding onto seats that are a much better fit for a Republican. Just look at guys like Ike Skelton in Missouri, Gene Taylor in Mississippi and Mike McIntyre in North Carolina - not to mention a number of conservative Dems in Arkansas, Texas and West Virginia. If these guys retire, the GOP has a great shot at winning. And, yes, we do have a good chance of recapturing a number of seats in a better environment.
Hoping the Dems will shoot themselves in the foot is a losing strategy. It's worked before. They now control the agenda and the megaphone. Yeah and that megaphone will emphasize the ineffectiveness of their strategies for governing. They have no real workable ideas. God help them if we get hit again or there is some other major act of terror against US interests overseas. God help them (all both of them that believe in HIM) if the gas prices spike on their watch.
A lot of the Dems that were voted in actually ran as conservatives. If they are subject to manipulation to subvert those articulated values...they may find themselves booted after one term.
Well, if you mean the 2001 redistricting, then yeah, the district is different, but that's kind of ancient history. He won easily in 02 and 04.
The dems did energize their vote, but Hayworth couldn't do enough, the 180 on immigration just didn't impress people. That's all I was saying.
"In OH, three out of five gets you redistricting.
The five are one from each party, the governor, sec. of state, and auditor.
The dems have 4-1. But in 2010, they are all up.
If the dems keep control, look for OH to flip from 11-7 R to 12-6 dem."
Please see this link: http://www.fairvote.org/redistricting/reports/remanual/oh.htm
You're thinking about legislative redistricting and don't forget that the GOP won the state auditor position, as well.
It is not ancient history when it comes to losing one of his core constituencies, i.e., the Indian vote. He won easily in 2002 and 2004, but that does not mean that he will win in 2006. Circumstances change. The Abramoff affair, his wife receiving $100,000. The quality of the candidate who just happened to be the former mayor of Tempe. If you looked at the Mitchell ads, the main theme was corruption with mentions of Hayworth supporting Bush's stay the course in Iraq and stem cell research. No mention is made of illegal immigration.
The dems did energize their vote, but Hayworth couldn't do enough, the 180 on immigration just didn't impress people. That's all I was saying.
The Dems doubled their vote from 2002, a non-election year and matched their vote in 2004, a Presidential year. Hayworth increased his vote total by 10% from 2002, but the Dems doubled their's. Hayworth's vote total declined by 66,000 votes from 2004 while the Dem votes remained essentially the same. The question to be asked is why couldn't Hayworth turn out more Rep voters. I think, based on late polls showing him ahead by double digits, Hayworth didn't do enough to get his voters to the polls.
The pro-amnesty crowd wants to pounce on the Hayworth loss and blame it on his anti-illegal immigration stance. It just wasn't that simple. That's all I am saying.
Can we hear a resounding....AMEN? A-M-E-N!!!
Conservative values resonate now more than ever. Our trouble has been trying to tailor the message so that we can have it all ways all over the country. Another major problem as I'm just now realizing is our President has sold his soul to his daddy's NWO in creating this north American borderless Security Zone and in doing nothing to seal the borders.
Illegal immigration. THAT is an issue that resonates with everybody not an illegal immigrant or related to one. There is a tremendous number of white anglo democrats who are going into full panic mode on this issue. In the privacy of the voting booth that chicken might well come home to roost. IF a viable realistic conservative alternative is offered, I'll bet he or SHE wins in a landslide when it comes to the 2008 Presidential race. That race should have some long coattails IF the conservatives are running a real conservative platform.
That dominance extended from 1955 to 1995, which includes the impact of the so-called soutehrn strategy. Take a look at the composition of the House during those years. During the brief 12 years that the Reps held the house, 1995-2007, the margin was slim and does not compare to the margins of Dem control. Now the circle of Rep control is being narrowed so that the so-called solid South is now the Reps' primary power base. In 2006, the Reps lost not only control of Congress, but many governorships and state legislatures.
Santorum will be missed but he might not be gone forever. A lot of RINOs got knocked off and truth be known, I'd rather have a liberal rat in a seat than a RINO.
It will be six years before Santorum could ever run for his seat. He was soundly defeated. There is only one RINO that I wanted knocked off and that was Chafee. But it is silly to want a liberal rat in a seat rather than a RINO. That is not the way Congress works. Better a RINO than a liberal especially if it means that we control the houses of Congress, appoint committee chairs, and set the agenda. What you want translates into permanent minority status for the Reps.
Let 'em. Can you name me a solid conservative that holds a Republican seat in the northeast?
The numbers are getting fewer and fewer, but there are some if you base it on the ACU ratings. Sununu (NH), Gregg (NH), Garret (NJ), Fossella (NY), Reynolds (NY), Kuhl (NY), Hart (PA), Peterson (PA), Shuster (PA), and Pitts PA).
It's worked before.
Once, but I attribute our victory in 1995 to having a positivie agenda, the Contract with America, than what the Dems did.
Yeah and that megaphone will emphasize the ineffectiveness of their strategies for governing. They have no real workable ideas. God help them if we get hit again or there is some other major act of terror against US interests overseas. God help them (all both of them that believe in HIM) if the gas prices spike on their watch.
The MSM will aid and abet them. They don't need ideas. It didn't hurt them before. If we get hit again or gas prices spike, it will be because of something Bush did. In 2006, they compaigned on the idea of a divided government so the Dems could provide some checks and balances. In 2008, it will be based on getting the obstructionist Reps out of the WH so that the Dem Congress and Dem WH can run the government smoothly and get things done for the American people.
A lot of the Dems that were voted in actually ran as conservatives. If they are subject to manipulation to subvert those articulated values...they may find themselves booted after one term.
That's a myth, i.e., a "lot." You have to go race by race to see what the issues were. Certainly the Dem winners in CT and NY did not run as conservatives. If you look at the 30 seats we lost in the House and the 6 Senate seats, you won't find too many "conservative Dems."
The Dems will protect their freshman Congressmen. They will decide what issues will be brought before the committees and on the floor to vote. They will also allow some of the new Dems to vote their conscience on certain issues to burnish their moderate credentials. We did the same thing with RINOs.
The only way the Reps can gain control back is to develop a positive agenda, recruit good challengers, and build a solid grass roots organization to get out the vote. It is going to take a long time to overcome the power of incumbency. We can't depend on the Dems self-destructing.
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