THE 'EURABIA' MYTH

New York Post ^ | November 26, 2006 | Ralph Peters

[Spacewalker]

A RASH of pop prophets tell us that Muslims in Europe are reproducing so fast and European societies are so weak and listless that, before you know it, the continent will become "Eurabia," with all those topless gals on the Riviera wearing veils.

Well, maybe not.

The notion that continental Europeans, who are world-champion haters, will let the impoverished Muslim immigrants they confine to ghettos take over their societies and extend the caliphate from the Amalfi Coast to Amsterdam has it exactly wrong...

[WashingtonSource]

I don't think we know as much about his time as we think we do. According to the series that ran in Britain a few years ago, there were Jews in Britain at the time.

You can't ignore what someone wrote -- it serves as evidence of what they knew and understand.

I also don't think relying on academics is all that helpful, since they're often highly politicized deconstrucitonists -- or just plain lamebrained. In fact, as a rule, if all academics in a particular field of liberal arts agree on any point, I immediately question whether or not it is true.

[Spacewalker]

And I am sure the TV is such a good source of historical data!!!

Instead of the Law and historians that have studied the period from documents...

Oh yes I forget: and probably Elvis lives and Nessie exists...

[WashingtonSource]

Here's a link that reports that even though Jews were expelled in 1290 that Jews lived in London at the time of Shakespeare:

http://www.enotes.com/shakespeare-atoz/jews

Here's the relevant paragraph:

Jews in Shakespeare’s England lived a shadowed life, hidden from view and frequently in danger. England had expelled its Jewish population in 1290, and Jews were still forbidden to live in the country during Shakespeare’s lifetime. The law was not strictly enforced, however, and a small community of Jews lived in London, knowing that at any time they could be evicted and their property seized.

[WashingtonSource]

Here's another link with reference to Portuguese Jews in London at the time of Shakespeare:

http://ise.uvic.ca/Library/SLT/society/jews.html

Here is one of the relevant paragraphs:

There was a sensational case just before Shakespeare wrote The Merchant of Venice. In 1593 Dr. Rodrigo Lopez, a converted Jew and physician to Queen Elizabeth, was condemned to death for conspiracy against her life. He died protesting his innocence, but the trial publicised all the old accusations against the Jewish people. Neither Queen Elizabeth nor Robert Cecil, Secretary of the Privy Council, believed that Lopez was guilty.

[WashingtonSource]

Sorry to hit you with yet another source, but having seen the British series on Shakespeare, I could not let the statement pass that there were no Jews in England at the time of Shakespeare.

Here's another link that describes the Jews in England at the time of Shakespeare, including a reference to the fact that a Jewish woman may have been the inspiration for the 'Dark Lady' of one of Shakespeare's sonnets.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/merchant/ei_shylock.html

Here's the relevant paragraph:

Where do the Jews fit in this climate of religious intolerance? Despite their expulsion 300 years earlier, small groups of Jews sought refuge in England from the Spanish Inquisition and were living quietly during Elizabeth's reign. These Jews, known as Marranos or Conversos, people who had converted to Christianity from Judaism, and though they outwardly appeared to be Christians, many retained their Jewish heritage, even if they did not actively participate in Jewish religious practices. Another small group of Jews made its way to London in the 1500s and became musicians at the Court of King Henry VIII. Some scholars have even suggested that the "Dark Lady" of Shakespeare's sonnets was one Emilia Bassano, descended from these same musicians.

[LiberalBassTurds]

Funny how you think you know more about Europe than anyone else on the forum. Arrogant, obnoxious, unable to learn or comprehend any of the ideas presented so far...

OK, I am calling it...Euro-Troll.

LBT
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[jocon307]

Thanks for posting this, and to all who commented. I just read this after taking the weekend off, I was curious to know what my fellow freepers thought of this piece.

[hinckley buzzard]

Well, Keep hope alive.

[hinckley buzzard]

Apparently "Spacewalker" doesn't have a point. Maybe he's "Lost in Space."

[LiberalBassTurds]

You're right he doesn't have a point. His entire argument distills down to this:

* Your numbers are wrong
* You know nothing about Europe
* The Foreign Legion will save the day
* Shakespeare never met a Jew

This guys a newb troublemaker for sure.

LBT
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[Centurion2000]

Well if this is the same Ralph Peters that wrote War in 2020 then I will definitely take this one with a grain of salt.

[hinckley buzzard]

Then you will know that in the past twenty years football hooligans have killed less people than LA gangs kill in a month.

Nice point ASC. It speaks well for the future if the gangs of LA can be turned against the Koranimals.

[Spacewalker]

I see that calling you on where you take your data from, giving real data and information doesn't rate as high as trashing a continent where most of the people who talk never went...

Oh well...

[Spacewalker]

Yes, posting data from real statistical offices and not some article in a newspaper and telling about the French law to people isn't what you expect...

Keep on trashing what you ignore... It won't ever do anything to reality, but I am sure you'll feel well...

[Polybius]

But almost the only one's fighting the Turks in the 16th Century were the Hapsburgs, and they were barely holding their own. The pope, the Spanish and the Venetians were the one's who stopped the Turks at Lepanto......

Don't forget the Knights Hospitaller who were also at Lepanto and who singlehandedly saved Malta which guarded the gateway to the Western Mediterranean.

Siege of Malta (1565)

[LiberalBassTurds]

Yes, posting data from real statistical offices and not some article in a newspaper and telling about the French law to people isn't what you expect...

Keep on trashing what you ignore... It won't ever do anything to reality, but I am sure you'll feel well...

Thank you for proving my point. You are simply here to disrupt aren't you? Would you like me to prove my point?

Go back through the thread and see if I quoted any statistics.

You won't be here long.

LBT
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[Cogadh na Sith]

So his point is that Europe will throw out the Mussulmen like they threw out the jews? The same jews that the Mussulmen despise?

So Europe doesn't like muslims 'cuz they both hate jews?

It makes no sense....

[edsheppa]

As usual, Peters has some interesting things to say. Certainly the continentals of past times have shown astonishing brutality.

But it's the hallmark of a weak argument to not point out and rebut the cogent counterpoints. Specifically, Peters does not mention the cowardly behavior of the Spanish voters a couple of years ago.

[Fishrrman]

Whether you agree with Peters or not, this is a remarkable article to appear in mainstream American journalism (The New York Post).

To wit, this is the first "mainstream" article I've seen that openly asserts that the only course for white/Christian Europeans to prevent "Eurabia" is the removal of the Muslim hordes from Europe's midst.

"Removal" can constitute expulsion of Muslims - including European-born Islamics - or it could mean something even less palatable. But - whatever it might mean - Peters seems to be stating that [in his opinion] nothing less has a reasonable chance of succeeding.

The flip side of the same coin, of course, is Mark Steyn's assertion that Europe will collapse into Eurabia, unable to morally, culturally, demographically or physically defend itself.

I personally believe Steyn is more accurate in his analysis. But either way you look at it, Europe faces an awful choice:
1. Boxcars -or-
2. Burqhas

"Boxcars", you say?
Why, yes: the kind the Germans used to have, with guard cages on the ends.

A dark future, indeed.

- John

[Sam Cree]

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