Posted on 11/26/2006 8:11:28 AM PST by Spacewalker
A RASH of pop prophets tell us that Muslims in Europe are reproducing so fast and European societies are so weak and listless that, before you know it, the continent will become "Eurabia," with all those topless gals on the Riviera wearing veils.
Well, maybe not.
The notion that continental Europeans, who are world-champion haters, will let the impoverished Muslim immigrants they confine to ghettos take over their societies and extend the caliphate from the Amalfi Coast to Amsterdam has it exactly wrong...
(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...
It would be noteworthy if it were true, but it isn't, so we can ignore it.
Granted, the group that published this is a leftist group, but it is based on hard data; similar results can be found at dozens of sites on the Internet.
That doesn't mean that illegal alien anchor babies aren't a problem here in the US. They are.
But as costly as the US illegal alien invasion is, it doesn't rise to the same level of cultural calamity that is faced by Europe as a result of its burgeoning Muslim hordes. Most Mexicans are culturally Catholic; sawing off infidel heads for Allah is not part of their social or political repertoire.
But that won't help Europe out much... unless they plan on putting their continent on 'hold' for the 19 years it'll take for the new generation to grow up.
I don't see Europe being able to hold off the Muslim hordes for 19 years before getting any reinforcements.
For even if Europe were to succeed in driving out all the Muslims, I really don't think that all the Muslim nations out there will sit quietly and let them do it.
So a 30-year old at the start of the conflict would be fighting in the trenchs at age 49 before any reinforcements would arrive.
No. The European governments are weak, and won't close the mosques. Once the Muslims decide to act, the governments will cower and the people won't be able to form militias to help. Several posters have mentioned the outlawing of veils, but that is merely window dressing when the Muslim mosques continue to preach the overthrowing of Europes.
There is no such thing.
It's simple, really. If the muslims take Europe, then America takes Saudi Arabia -- unless American liberals are in power, of course. Then we too will submit to the muslims.
The thought is to separate Church from stat which was a very good thing...
It seems to me that you are complaining about something that makes no difference. The French government refuses to collect statistics about the number of Muslims in France. The current "official" estimate is, nevertheless, 6 million Muslims (the 5 million number comes from several years in the past). What makes if "official" when the government refuses to collect such numbers I do not know.
The generally acknowledged "best" source for unofficial numbers in France is the Catholic Church. And, yes, I'm sure they have an agenda too. That the "unofficial" numbers are higher is no surprise. If you wish to believe the "official" numbers, that's fine with me.
I used 8 million for the current Muslim population in the greatly simplified mathematical analysis I posted earlier. I could have used 9 million or I could have used 6 million. The conclusion would have been the same.
So, regardless of what you choose to believe about the current Muslim population in France, the inescapable conclusion is that France is in deep demographic trouble.
You really are ignorant of Europe, where the governments are much stronger than in the US I would say... They can do things that no US government would dsream of doing...
European governments are far from weak...
The government doesn't refuse to collect data... IT IS AGAINST THE LAW! And has been for the last 100 years (1905)... The official number doesn't exist and the only sound study that exists (that I linked to) says 4 millions...
Who says that the Catholic Church in France is a source for anything? You must be the first one to say it...
So you can use any number you take out of ypour magic hat except they have no basis in reality!
If you want real numbers and not num,bers you oull out of your hat
http://www.lexpress.fr/info/societe/dossier/mosquees/dossier.asp?ida=415633
Even if it were assumed that all europeans, right down to the last granny, are tough as nails and itching for a fight, they still would be hard-pressed to fend off the violent muslims in their midst.
Why? Because whether you are fighting a conventional war on foreign soil or a guerilla war on your own soil, it takes money and lots of it to outlast your enemy.
We put half a trillion dollars into our national defense (4% US GDP). But france puts only 46 billion dollars into their national defense (2.6% GDP) and Germany puts only 37 billion dollars into their national defense (1.5%). For both of these countries, trying to fight a protracted and messy civil war with the many millions of muslim "youths" in their midst would crash their whole economic house of cards very quickly. The muslims don't have such worries, since their funding, as for islamic terrorists in general, is virtually unlimited.
Only with American military help could europe hope to defeat muslim insurrection.
The US used almost as many Marines (5,000) plus another 10,000 soldiers in the assault on Fallujah, a city of 400,000, of which about 3,000 were hard-core insurgents.
There are at least 1.5 million Muslims leaving in and near Paris. Marseilles, Lyon, and Lille have about 200,000 each. Muslims tend to live in nearly autonomous conclaves within those cities. Potentially, France already has at least five Fallujahs to contend with.
In addition, Muslim women in France have been giving birth to another 200,000 babies each year and there are another 50,000 conversions to Islam.
Not all will become bomb-throwing Jihadists, but a significant number will.
In the future, I seriously doubt that there will be enough Legionnaires to take out the Islamofascist trash in France.
I got your "real numbers" at #175, pal.
Again these numbers you are taking out of your magic hat...
It must be nice to imagine data... So much better than collecting them!
Indeed, a few years ago a series in Britain on Shakespeare said in fact he knew at least one Jew quite well. I think it's clear he certainly understand the humanity and universality of the experience of Jews, and understood they faced discrimination, as his Merchant of Venice soliloquies show. Similarly, he showed amazing comprehension of the point of view of the Moor in his Othello.
We know when he lives and where he lives and we also know that there were no Jew allowed there...
What sounds like nonsense is you saying what you do while ignoring facts and history...
What he wrote is completely beside the point...
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