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THE 'EURABIA' MYTH
New York Post ^ | November 26, 2006 | Ralph Peters

Posted on 11/26/2006 8:11:28 AM PST by Spacewalker

A RASH of pop prophets tell us that Muslims in Europe are reproducing so fast and European societies are so weak and listless that, before you know it, the continent will become "Eurabia," with all those topless gals on the Riviera wearing veils.

Well, maybe not.

The notion that continental Europeans, who are world-champion haters, will let the impoverished Muslim immigrants they confine to ghettos take over their societies and extend the caliphate from the Amalfi Coast to Amsterdam has it exactly wrong...

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: War on Terror
KEYWORDS: europe; muslims
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To: Spacewalker
(it is noteworthy that the higher US birth rate is due to Mexican immigrants, both legal and illegal).

It would be noteworthy if it were true, but it isn't, so we can ignore it.

"Immigrants Do Not Account for High U.S. Fertility.

"In a study in April of this year (2002), we found that immigrants had little impact on the nation’s fertility. Using a different data source, we found that without immigrants the national fertility rate still would be two children on average. The 2002 ACS study shows the same basic results. If all the immigrants are removed from the data and the fertility rate recalculated, the overall fertility rates in the United States would still be about two children, or 2.05 children. It is true that America does have a higher fertility rate than other advanced industrialized democracies – 1.4 for Europe or 1.3 for Japan. But that higher rate is due almost entirely to native-born American women. For whatever reason, they have significantly more children on average than women in other western countries. It must be remembered that nearly eight out of 10 births in the United States are to native mothers, thus it is their characteristics that will primarily determine the overall fertility rate in the United States." -- Minnesotans for Sustainability

Granted, the group that published this is a leftist group, but it is based on hard data; similar results can be found at dozens of sites on the Internet.

That doesn't mean that illegal alien anchor babies aren't a problem here in the US. They are.

But as costly as the US illegal alien invasion is, it doesn't rise to the same level of cultural calamity that is faced by Europe as a result of its burgeoning Muslim hordes. Most Mexicans are culturally Catholic; sawing off infidel heads for Allah is not part of their social or political repertoire.

161 posted on 11/26/2006 3:56:56 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: Pelayo

But that won't help Europe out much... unless they plan on putting their continent on 'hold' for the 19 years it'll take for the new generation to grow up.

I don't see Europe being able to hold off the Muslim hordes for 19 years before getting any reinforcements.

For even if Europe were to succeed in driving out all the Muslims, I really don't think that all the Muslim nations out there will sit quietly and let them do it.

So a 30-year old at the start of the conflict would be fighting in the trenchs at age 49 before any reinforcements would arrive.


162 posted on 11/26/2006 4:01:03 PM PST by gogogodzilla (Republicans only win if they are conservative. Woe befalls any who forget that.)
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To: Spacewalker
"The rabble in the muslim suburbs of Paris won't last against even one battalion of the Legion étrangère.."

Well, we agree there. I would not want to face the FFL if they were given license to clean up the Paris suburbs. However, they cannot make that choice on their own, and I think that if such choice was made, it would be a desperate situation. Then again, if you find yourself in a desperate situation, the FFL is a a nice thin to have as a fall back protecting French butt. Interesting option.
163 posted on 11/26/2006 4:02:29 PM PST by alarm rider (Not a democrat, not a republican, not a "libertarian".. A CONSERVATIVE.)
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To: Pelayo
Are you saying that 'political correctness' and lack of privately owned weapons are bar to state organized oppression?

No. The European governments are weak, and won't close the mosques. Once the Muslims decide to act, the governments will cower and the people won't be able to form militias to help. Several posters have mentioned the outlawing of veils, but that is merely window dressing when the Muslim mosques continue to preach the overthrowing of Europes.

164 posted on 11/26/2006 4:25:29 PM PST by aimhigh
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To: Spacewalker
real work by sociologists...

There is no such thing.

165 posted on 11/26/2006 4:31:28 PM PST by AmishDude (Mark Steyn is my hero.)
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To: EternalHope
"You might find this interesting:
Symposium: Muslims in France: A Ticking Time Bomb?"

Again your sources are suspect. Frontpage is hardly a unbiased magazine. Cagaptay, an “adjunct assistant professor” (read occasional lecturer) at Georgetown, is in his real life a lobbyist for pro-Israeli interests; Murawiec is a LaRouchie who thinks we should invade and take over the entire middle east; Bayegan is an expat hustler the likes of Chalabi. None of these folks are the kind I tend to have a lot of faith in. They will twist facts or outright lie to further their own agendas. Sorry.
166 posted on 11/26/2006 4:38:48 PM PST by stormer (Get your bachelors, masters, or doctorate now at home in your spare time!)
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To: knighthawk

It's simple, really. If the muslims take Europe, then America takes Saudi Arabia -- unless American liberals are in power, of course. Then we too will submit to the muslims.


167 posted on 11/26/2006 4:42:02 PM PST by Bonaparte
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To: antisocial
They will just quickly eat some cheese and surrender in to their Dhimminitude.

Not the Legion Etrengere. (what you my know as the Foreign Legion) If the French government ever gets it's head out of it's posterior and lets loose the Legion, I'm gonna pop me some popcorn and watch the show. Unfortunately that's a pretty big "IF"
168 posted on 11/26/2006 4:50:21 PM PST by Tailback
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To: Pelayo

The thought is to separate Church from stat which was a very good thing...


169 posted on 11/26/2006 4:56:11 PM PST by Spacewalker
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To: stormer

It seems to me that you are complaining about something that makes no difference. The French government refuses to collect statistics about the number of Muslims in France. The current "official" estimate is, nevertheless, 6 million Muslims (the 5 million number comes from several years in the past). What makes if "official" when the government refuses to collect such numbers I do not know.

The generally acknowledged "best" source for unofficial numbers in France is the Catholic Church. And, yes, I'm sure they have an agenda too. That the "unofficial" numbers are higher is no surprise. If you wish to believe the "official" numbers, that's fine with me.

I used 8 million for the current Muslim population in the greatly simplified mathematical analysis I posted earlier. I could have used 9 million or I could have used 6 million. The conclusion would have been the same.

So, regardless of what you choose to believe about the current Muslim population in France, the inescapable conclusion is that France is in deep demographic trouble.


170 posted on 11/26/2006 4:57:33 PM PST by EternalHope (Boycott everything French forever. Including their vassal nations.)
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To: aimhigh

You really are ignorant of Europe, where the governments are much stronger than in the US I would say... They can do things that no US government would dsream of doing...

European governments are far from weak...


171 posted on 11/26/2006 4:58:02 PM PST by Spacewalker
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To: EternalHope

The government doesn't refuse to collect data... IT IS AGAINST THE LAW! And has been for the last 100 years (1905)... The official number doesn't exist and the only sound study that exists (that I linked to) says 4 millions...

Who says that the Catholic Church in France is a source for anything? You must be the first one to say it...

So you can use any number you take out of ypour magic hat except they have no basis in reality!


172 posted on 11/26/2006 5:01:31 PM PST by Spacewalker
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To: EternalHope

If you want real numbers and not num,bers you oull out of your hat
http://www.lexpress.fr/info/societe/dossier/mosquees/dossier.asp?ida=415633


173 posted on 11/26/2006 5:06:23 PM PST by Spacewalker
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To: SolidWood
"There is no way todays Europeans will get tough on Islam."

Even if it were assumed that all europeans, right down to the last granny, are tough as nails and itching for a fight, they still would be hard-pressed to fend off the violent muslims in their midst.

Why? Because whether you are fighting a conventional war on foreign soil or a guerilla war on your own soil, it takes money and lots of it to outlast your enemy.

We put half a trillion dollars into our national defense (4% US GDP). But france puts only 46 billion dollars into their national defense (2.6% GDP) and Germany puts only 37 billion dollars into their national defense (1.5%). For both of these countries, trying to fight a protracted and messy civil war with the many millions of muslim "youths" in their midst would crash their whole economic house of cards very quickly. The muslims don't have such worries, since their funding, as for islamic terrorists in general, is virtually unlimited.

Only with American military help could europe hope to defeat muslim insurrection.

174 posted on 11/26/2006 5:19:31 PM PST by Bonaparte
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To: Tailback
The French Foreign Legion comprises a total of 7,770 men (many of them Muslim).

The US used almost as many Marines (5,000) plus another 10,000 soldiers in the assault on Fallujah, a city of 400,000, of which about 3,000 were hard-core insurgents.

There are at least 1.5 million Muslims leaving in and near Paris. Marseilles, Lyon, and Lille have about 200,000 each. Muslims tend to live in nearly autonomous conclaves within those cities. Potentially, France already has at least five Fallujahs to contend with.

In addition, Muslim women in France have been giving birth to another 200,000 babies each year and there are another 50,000 conversions to Islam.

Not all will become bomb-throwing Jihadists, but a significant number will.

In the future, I seriously doubt that there will be enough Legionnaires to take out the Islamofascist trash in France.

175 posted on 11/26/2006 5:39:36 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: Spacewalker

I got your "real numbers" at #175, pal.


176 posted on 11/26/2006 5:42:01 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: JCEccles

Again these numbers you are taking out of your magic hat...

It must be nice to imagine data... So much better than collecting them!


177 posted on 11/26/2006 5:46:41 PM PST by Spacewalker
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To: Spacewalker
We don't even know for sure who Shakespeare is, let alone who he may or may not have met. I find it amazing people can prolcaim with surety he never met a Jew. That sounds like utter nonsense.

Indeed, a few years ago a series in Britain on Shakespeare said in fact he knew at least one Jew quite well. I think it's clear he certainly understand the humanity and universality of the experience of Jews, and understood they faced discrimination, as his Merchant of Venice soliloquies show. Similarly, he showed amazing comprehension of the point of view of the Moor in his Othello.

178 posted on 11/26/2006 5:50:19 PM PST by WashingtonSource
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To: WashingtonSource

We know when he lives and where he lives and we also know that there were no Jew allowed there...

What sounds like nonsense is you saying what you do while ignoring facts and history...

What he wrote is completely beside the point...


179 posted on 11/26/2006 5:52:56 PM PST by Spacewalker
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