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Rumsfeld okayed abuses says former U.S. general
Reuters ^ | 11/25/2006 | Additional reporting by Diane Bartz in Washington

Posted on 11/25/2006 9:16:20 AM PST by Prost1

Edited on 11/25/2006 10:21:24 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

MADRID (Reuters) - Outgoing Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld authorized the mistreatment of detainees at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, the prison's former U.S. Commander said in an interview on Saturday.

Former U.S. Army Brigadier General Janis Karpinski told Spain's El Pais newspaper she had seen a letter apparently signed by Rumsfeld which allowed civilian contractors to use techniques such as sleep deprivation during interrogation.

Karpinski, who ran the prison until early 2004, said she saw a memorandum signed by Rumsfeld detailing the use of harsh interrogation methods.

"The handwritten signature was above his printed name and in the same handwriting in the margin was written: "Make sure this is accomplished,"" she told Saturday's El Pais.

"The methods consisted of making prisoners stand for long periods, sleep deprivation ... playing music at full volume, having to sit in uncomfortably ... Rumsfeld authorized these specific techniques."

The Geneva Convention says prisoners of war should suffer "no physical or mental torture, nor any other form of coercion" to secure information.


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KEYWORDS: abughraib; karpinski; torture
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To: Prost1
"The methods consisted of making prisoners stand for long periods, sleep deprivation ... playing music at full volume, having to sit in uncomfortably ... Rumsfeld authorized these specific techniques."

SOunds like a week I spent watching my grandtriplets.

And it certainly doesn't sound as abusive as basic training was 31 years ago.

121 posted on 11/25/2006 12:19:22 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: okie01
Karpinski was promoted to General during the Clinton administration -- at the reported insistence of the Clintons (and her radical feminist buddies).

That should explain everything.

Yep, that pretty much sums it up.

122 posted on 11/25/2006 12:25:00 PM PST by guestfox01 ("The only two things you can truly depend upon are gravity and greed." - Jack Palance)
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To: Prost1

She is a product of the "Diversity Program" in the government and military -- fill a post with a minority, bedamned the consequences....


123 posted on 11/25/2006 12:27:07 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: Prost1

Short response:

She committed Treason, lock her up and shoot her.

Reuters is an enemy and can NEVER be trusted.

Rummy did nothing wrong and he served with honor.

I would authorize abuse beyond your wildest imagination and your most frightening of nightmares .....get the info and kill them in the process. I would call my interrogators "Soul Eaters" and they would leave the room well fed. But that's just me showing off my good, warm and fuzzy side.


124 posted on 11/25/2006 12:36:14 PM PST by Gator113
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To: ElPatriota

She retired a Colonel. Wearing the Rank of a BGen in this photo on her book is against the UCMJ. Which I belive as an retired officer she still is accountable to.


125 posted on 11/25/2006 12:54:17 PM PST by Garvin ("As long as we have Marines like Corporal Dunham, America will never fear for her liberty")
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To: jveritas
"The methods consisted of making prisoners stand for long periods, sleep deprivation ... playing music at full volume, having to sit in uncomfortably ... Rumsfeld authorized these specific techniques."

The horror... I cannot believe that we have reached this level of incredible stupidity that we consider this "torture".

Sleep deprivation is a form of torture.

126 posted on 11/25/2006 12:56:34 PM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: Prost1

I would not consider sleep deprivation an "abuse." And apparently that is the worst of it, or she'd have mentioned it.


127 posted on 11/25/2006 1:01:08 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Prodigal Son
If it is then we need to find a new definition for the real torture like cutting limbs, electric shock, beating some until all the bones are broken in his body, putting people in shredders, etc...

People who cannot put thing in perceptive are stupid and doom to fail in everything in their miserable life.

128 posted on 11/25/2006 1:03:00 PM PST by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas

It's torture. You want to unhinge someone mentally, keeping 'em awake is a really good way to do it. You can make it worse by putting them in a room with no windows and keeping the lights on all the time. A person just loses their mental reference points with reality after a while.

Putting people in shredders is not torture. That's just plain killing. Some people can take a lot of physical abuse. For those you have to have alternative methods.


129 posted on 11/25/2006 1:10:26 PM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: redgirlinabluestate

Thanx for the feedback.It's the authors responsibility to write in a clear,concise,and accurate manner.I simply made a statement based upon my interpetation of the article.If a "morphing" is taking place perhaps it's due to a lack of clarity on the part of the author.I stand by my statement.I believe Karpinski is making statements that are incongruous:)


130 posted on 11/25/2006 1:16:04 PM PST by Thombo2
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To: America

Didn't Bill Clinton get caught having a sexual encounter with her once?


131 posted on 11/25/2006 1:18:15 PM PST by Plains Drifter (America First, Last, and Always!!!)
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To: DTogo
Yeah, I got a similar note from Rummy promoting me to Major General...

I can top that. Karl Rove gave me my own set of keys to the weather and earthquake machines.

132 posted on 11/25/2006 1:36:04 PM PST by lowbridge
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To: Sacajaweau

"If your gonna lie you better be really good at it."LOL-i agree.BC is one of the best.In another era he would have been selling snake oil.When this initially became an issue,it sounded as though she(K)was a victim of msm anti-war agit/prop.Now she's implicating Rumsfeld-claiming first hand evidence that R formally authorized abuses?Does her demotion from Gen Officer to Col have any bearing on her claims?Is she trying to divert attention from herself to Rumsfeld?Unfortunately we aren't privy to all the dynamics at play here.


133 posted on 11/25/2006 1:36:47 PM PST by Thombo2
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To: MizSterious
She's in a snit because she got in trouble for Abu Grahib. The Army is much better off without her.

She's pissed because they wouldn't let her play Twister with the rest of the crew.


134 posted on 11/25/2006 1:38:58 PM PST by StoneGiant (Power without morality is disaster. Morality without power is useless.)
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To: FreedomPoster
Her bio at
http://judicial-inc.biz/janice_karpinski.htm

shows she filled all the squares. The term is 'careerism' -- -the bane of true military professionals, no matter which nation or service.

I know I hated to work for these types. They never worried how much *you* had to do (late nights, lost weekends, missed family holidays) to make *them* look good.

Blech.

135 posted on 11/25/2006 1:40:26 PM PST by ASOC (The phrase "What if" or "If only" are for children.)
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To: Prodigal Son
I think we are not tough at all in interrogating the terrorists. Sleep deprivation is a joke and humane beyond belief when dealing with subhuman terrorists.

May be you can enlighten us and tell us how can we interrogate terrorists.

136 posted on 11/25/2006 2:04:35 PM PST by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: Prost1

This stupid ass was the "officer" in charge of Abu Ghraib at the time of the nonsense.

She should be court Martialed and give up her pension.


137 posted on 11/25/2006 2:31:53 PM PST by chatham
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To: jveritas

I'd torture them. What's the problem?

Don't try to read too much into people's posts.

Have a nice day.


138 posted on 11/25/2006 3:01:51 PM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: jveritas
The horror... I cannot believe that we have reached this level of incredible stupidity that we consider this "torture".

I saw the headline, thought to self, hmm.. maybe someone else will get a clue as to what is going on. I think you do. I dare not read the rest of the thread, I've got this giggle struggling to break free.

139 posted on 11/25/2006 8:25:37 PM PST by Alia
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To: Prost1

So she justifies her incompetance on the job by blaming the boss? Slick. /sarc


140 posted on 11/26/2006 12:45:37 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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