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Column One: The Gemayel warning
JPost.com ^ | 11/24/2006 | CAROLINE GLICK

Posted on 11/25/2006 6:44:31 AM PST by Dark Skies

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1 posted on 11/25/2006 6:44:32 AM PST by Dark Skies
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To: ml/nj

important article self ping


2 posted on 11/25/2006 6:53:12 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: Dark Skies

Bumpitttt.


3 posted on 11/25/2006 6:56:44 AM PST by Rocko (I look forward to living in your Islamic Utopia, Nancy Pelosi. /s)
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To: Dark Skies
Although a great blow to Bush's vision of democracy in the Middle East

I think that vision needs revision. It appears that islam is not a fertile soil for democracy.

4 posted on 11/25/2006 7:08:40 AM PST by Dark Skies ("He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that" ... John Stuart Mill)
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To: Dark Skies
Such a strategy...will change the emphasis of US operations in Iraq in a manner than weakens, rather than strengthens Iran and Syria.

Very good, but what is that strategy and in what way should the emphasis of Iraq operations be changed?

5 posted on 11/25/2006 7:27:02 AM PST by Bahbah (Regev, Goldwasser and Shalit, we are praying for you)
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To: Bahbah

The more time passes and the more we see how the new democracy in Iraq is working out (or not), the more I think we should have installed a provisional government to oversee Iraq until we figure out if and when a real democracy can exist in an islamic country. It could be overseen by a council of countries (not the UN) and audited to make sure it is behaving according to plan and not abusing its position of power.


6 posted on 11/25/2006 7:38:07 AM PST by Dark Skies ("He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that" ... John Stuart Mill)
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To: Dark Skies; Nancee
"Fighters for the Unity and Liberty of Greater Syria." They said that they killed Gemayel because he was "one of those who unceasingly spouted their venom against Syria and against [Hizbullah], shamelessly and without any trepidation." Gemayel, they threatened, would be the first of many victims. As they put it, "Sooner or later we will pay the rest of the agents their due..."

A typical result of the Nov. 7 RAT's win and not dealing decisively with Iran / Sadr.

None of our enemies has any fear of or even "respect" for us especially after the change of guard in Congress and the intended cut-and-run policy.

Implementing the "realists" BH study recommendations of one immediate, efficient action is to bomb Iranian military and nuke sites. Taking Iran out will cause Syria to fold and cut off Hizbollah from its protectors. Another benefit is conveying an unambiguous message to Russia, China, and the world that we're still the only superpower.

One immediate, efficient action is to bomb Iranian military and nuke sites. This will cause Syria to fold and Hizbollah to be cut off from its protectors. Another benifit is conveying an unambigeous message to Russia, China, and the world that we're still the only superpower.

I say immediate because of the impending Russian delivery of a mobile, sophisticated air defense system will cost us planes, casualties or worse, POWs in Iranian hands. Do we believe in the Geneva Convention?

7 posted on 11/25/2006 7:41:59 AM PST by melancholy (Bell Pelosi, the Sneaker of the Out-House, a shoe-in)
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To: melancholy

Sorry, I have to rewrite a paragraph which was lost during editing!


8 posted on 11/25/2006 7:45:44 AM PST by melancholy (Bell Pelosi, the Sneaker of the Out-House, a shoe-in)
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To: Dark Skies

Very important and insightful article.

Thanks for posting.


9 posted on 11/25/2006 7:48:12 AM PST by EternalHope (Boycott everything French forever. Including their vassal nations.)
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To: lonevoice

America, you can't give up on this war. At stake is the future of the entire world, the question is really only this . . . what do we want that world to look like? Do we want a future free from terrorism and the cancerous spread of radical Islam? If we do, we have to continue the fight for what is right and good and that means taking the war against terror right to the door of Syria, Iran and North Korea. Wherever the enemy springs up, we have to mow them down. I have lost confidence that this will happen until we get hit enough times by 911 type attacks. Even then, will America have the will to do whatever it takes to win the war against Islamofascism? The terrorists, emboldened by our recent election results, are convinced that the answer is, "No."


10 posted on 11/25/2006 7:51:21 AM PST by Pride in the USA
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To: Dark Skies; Nancee
Repost #7:

"Fighters for the Unity and Liberty of Greater Syria." They said that they killed Gemayel because he was "one of those who unceasingly spouted their venom against Syria and against [Hizbullah], shamelessly and without any trepidation." Gemayel, they threatened, would be the first of many victims. As they put it, "Sooner or later we will pay the rest of the agents their due..."

A typical result of the Nov. 7 RAT's win and not dealing decisively with Iran / Sadr.

None of our enemies has any fear of or even "respect" for us especially after the change of guard in Congress and the intended cut-and-run policy.

Implementing the "realists" BH study recommendations of conferences, negotiations, and capitulation will embolden our enemies' and confirm their perception of our weakness.

One immediate, efficient action is to bomb Iranian military and nuke sites. This will cause Syria to fold and Hizbollah to be cut off from its protectors. Another benefit is conveying an unambiguous message to Russia, China, and the world that we're still the only superpower.

I say immediate because of the impending Russian delivery of a mobile, sophisticated air defense system will cost us planes, casualties or worse, POWs in Iranian hands. Do we believe in the Geneva Convention?

11 posted on 11/25/2006 8:02:25 AM PST by melancholy (Bell Pelosi, the Sneaker of the Out-House, a shoe-in)
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To: Dark Skies
“If Bush sees this murder as the warning sign it is of what awaits Lebanon, Israel, Jordan, Iraq and indeed the entire world if the US removes its forces from Iraq or is perceived as moving in that direction; if he finally recognizes that Iraq is not a separate war, but a great battle in a larger struggle, then Bush will be able to formulate a new strategy for victory.”

I believe Bush does... but a majority of Americans, the Democrat Party and the DBM surely does not. What terrifies me is that they WON'T see it... until it's too late.

12 posted on 11/25/2006 8:18:47 AM PST by johnny7 ("We took a hell of a beating." -'Vinegar Joe' Stilwell)
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To: Dark Skies

bump


13 posted on 11/25/2006 8:27:54 AM PST by kalee (II have taken the pledge... I will no longer read homeschooling or breastfeeding threads on FR.)
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To: Pride in the USA; Stillwaters

Thanks for the ping. An important and sobering read.


14 posted on 11/25/2006 9:14:38 AM PST by lonevoice (Vast Right Wing Pajama Party)
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To: Dark Skies

All this politicking and negotiating and hair-splitting just so we don't have to kill hordes of middle eastern muslims to protect oil supplies. I don't get it.


15 posted on 11/25/2006 11:22:22 AM PST by gotribe (There's still time to begin a war in Iraq.)
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To: gotribe

ping


16 posted on 11/25/2006 6:03:34 PM PST by vharlow (http://www.vventures.net)
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To: Torie

Your thoughts?


17 posted on 11/26/2006 10:29:19 AM PST by Sabramerican (Says the piano player: America's greatest legacy will be to create a Palestinian State)
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To: Sabramerican
I don't think the Iran/Syria initiative is going anywhere. They have no incentive to stop Iraq's slide in chaos.

The policy prescription here is to have US troops engage in the whole region. The US does not have the troops to do that, and certainly not the political will. Where we are headed I think is some kind of de facto partition of Iraq and Lebanon.

Israel is on its own. It will need to make Gaza and the West Bank into Bantustans, in the sense of controlling what goes in and out. If successful in that control, then over time, if economic activity is generated in the Bantustans as the violence subsides (if it does), and living standards increase, maybe the Arabs will see the advantages of working out something realistic, since they will have more to lose. Maybe.

Things just aren't working out very well. In any event, neither Israel nor the US is prepared to incur the cost and the body count to remake the region. It just isn't going to happen.

That is who I see it, and call it.

18 posted on 11/26/2006 10:44:42 AM PST by Torie
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To: Torie

who = how.


19 posted on 11/26/2006 10:50:49 AM PST by Torie
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To: Torie
I don't think the Iran/Syria initiative is going anywhere. They have no incentive to stop Iraq's slide in chaos

But they do have an incentive to pretend. Taking a lesson from North Viet Nam.

Just give the US some face saving way out and then unleash their own brand of Hell.

Of course they are also expert in drawing US concessions in return for the US being allowed some face saving.

A loss loss (in the bargain and in the result)for the US and Israel.

20 posted on 11/26/2006 10:51:40 AM PST by Sabramerican (Says the piano player: America's greatest legacy will be to create a Palestinian State)
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