Posted on 11/20/2006 4:26:57 PM PST by wagglebee
LONDON, November 20, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Terry Grange, the leading officer on child protection of the UK's Association of Chief Police Officers' has ignited controversy by commenting in an interview with The Sunday Times that pornography featuring children at 13 years of age should not be considered child porn. Grange also said that the term "pedophiles" should only apply to adults who have sex with 12 and under.
Grange's comments match those of the pedophilia party launched recently, with court approval, in the Netherlands. The 'Charity, Freedom and Diversity' (NVD) party of the Netherlands formed last Spring introduced itself to Dutch politics as a champion of children's rights. In a press release, the NVD's spokesman and co-founder, Ad van den Berg said among their goals is lowering the age of consent for sexual activity from 16 to 12 and eventually eliminating it completely. (see coverage: http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/may/06053005.html )
Grange told the Sunday Times: "Child porn is 12 and under." On pedophilia he said: "For me, that sort of thing, paedophilia, is [with] prepubescent children."
In the UK where the age of consent for sexual activity is 16, Grange says, "It is much more of an issue for me if a child is under 13. I think the closer they get to 16 the more it becomes a grey area and I think everyone in the field of dealing with sexual health and sexual activity acknowledges that."
He added: "I don't actually personally adhere to the 15-year-old being with a 20-year-old boyfriend being paedophilia, or even if the boyfriend is 30."
The ACPO incident is the latest in the ongoing normalization of pedophilia, which has picked up steam since homosexual 'marriage' has been mainstreamed.
In comments this weekend, Romeo and Juliet director Franco Zeffirelli made positive remarks about homosexual sexual contact with young boys. In the context of noting that as a boy he was sexually abused by a priest, Zeffirelli said, "(Homosexual experiences) are not always bad for boys. I don't think they make you homosexual. Sexual choice is made for you early on in life anyway - if you like girls, you like girls."
LifeSiteNews.com reported in June on a poll which found 11% of Canadians did not consider pedophilia immoral. (http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/jun/06061204.html )
In 2001, leading Canadian film-makers were promoting the pedophiliac film Fat Girl which featured nude scenes with a thirteen year old. And in 2004 Nicole Kidman starred in the movie Birth which included a scene which made it appear as if she bathed in the nude with a boy of 10 with whom she was sexually interested.
Also in 2004, Glasgow University awarded a student a doctoral degree for his thesis defending pedophilia. (http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2004/dec/04120306.html )
To express concerns contact the ACPO here:
http://www.acpo.police.uk/contact.asp
HUH?!
Double HUH?
How about trying to stay in this millennium, let alone this century?
Can you have relations with someone who is of negative age?
And is it pedophillia?
It's kinda a math question more than a moral one.
'Thirteen' may be a bad idea but it's certainly not a new one.
That pretty much flabbergasted me.
In this century, my wife's grandmother and grandfather were married when she was 15 and he was 20. They were together for 60+ years and had dozens of children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren and even great-great-grandchildren to bless them in their old age.
Did he do evil? Cite Scriptural authority to support your allegation if you think so.
Otherwise, it's merely a matter of taste and fashion, and honest men should not go to prison over matters of taste and fashion.
-ccm
"math question"
In math, we have the concept of real numbers. I don't remember unreal numbers, but this is unreal! Last time I looked, you couldn't have sex with a negative-age entity, but then what do I know? The field you mentioned I fear has yest to be fully explored. I suggest further discussion in the Copenhagen Many-Worlds arena.... :)
All other jesting aside, thanks for this article. There does appear a movement to lower the age of consent. Sometimes, in reaction, we may go too far in certain instances. I recall that many parents used to take pictures of their nude kids ( remember bare kids on rugs?) to save as an embarassment to them in later years. I don't think we ought to arrest them now for such pics, but under some state laws, we could. In general, we should resist lowering the age of consent.
I know you have a sense of humour, but I am perplexed at your comment.
People were also out working and supporting themselves at the age of 15 (or even younger) until some time in the early 20th century. Kids are not brought up to be fully independent by this age now, and certainly the average 20 year old who is chasing a 15 year old or younger is not planning on marrying her. There's a big difference between an adult man cruising for easy pickings and a couple who planned to spend the rest of their lives together and have all those children and great++++s. We're not talking about lowering the age of consent for marriage, but for sex, which benefits exactly one party (hint: not the child).
I can't think of any offhand who set up permanent residences there, but many seem to have passed through at various times. There were Americans, too: Tennessee Williams, William Burroughs, Allen Ginsberg, and Paul Bowles, for example, all of whom were gay and spent some time in Morocco sampling its - er, delights.
Mus' be dat wacky tobaccy.
From Richard Alleman writings - -
I was 22 years old and in the Peace Corps. I taught drama to Moroccan teenagers at the American Library in the morning, swam midday at a bayside beach club, then directed plays in the late afternoon. The nights started at the Café de Paris, the legendary haunt of expat literati, including William Burroughs, Allen Ginsberg, Jack Kerouac, Jean Genet, and Paul Bowles. Sooner or later everyone wound up at the Parade Bar, a hole-in-the-wall where Jane Bowles was a regular, as was Tennessee Williams, whom I once spied holding court in the lush back garden. Tangier by Night, as our gang called it, continued in the town's many discos, piano bars, and drag cabarets or at parties hosted by titled Brits and minor Euro-royalty at villas on the two mountains that form a backdrop to the city. American heiress Barbara Hutton entertained annually (usually when the Sixth Fleet was in town) in her fairy-tale palace in the Kasbah, as the upper fortified area of Tangier's medina is known.
That doesn't mean that a 30 year old who seduces 15 year olds shouldn't go to prison. It just means he probably isn't a pedophile.
Ah, but the key is MARRIED 14 and 15 year old girls in the past. Not just some creep who would use and exploit them, and discard them afterward.
im almost positive he is trying to come out of the closet and tell us something...something strange...about carrots.
I tried carrots once...for my eyes. They just got worse..:)
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