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Condi's Iraq surprise
Salon ^ | November 17 | Mark Benjamin

Posted on 11/19/2006 5:28:36 PM PST by PghBaldy

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To: Mo1

They're (politicians and political hacks) folding like a house of cards only because the media says Iraq is a disaster.

Then you get politicians with alleged bright ideas like forming a "study group" because they think they know more than the commanders on the ground.

General Westmoreland's biggest chip on his shoulder during the Vietnam War was politicians thinking they knew more than he did.


41 posted on 11/19/2006 7:35:09 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

You are SO right...and that is why I have had my antennae out for a long time.

I know what happened that caused the end of the Vietnam war...as you do...and I think I may have even posted here at some point, that I would do anything in my power not to let that happen again.

If that just means calling out our Congress and telling them to get out of the military's way...and not wanting them to micromanage a war I will.

I have no idea how much the Salon story is right or not...but, I say the whole situation is rotten.

FGS....the TERRORISTS know our history better than some of our Congresscritters!!! They KNOW what will get Washington all shaking in their plush offices...

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRrr


42 posted on 11/19/2006 7:36:21 PM PST by Txsleuth (Bolton/Cheney (that would be Lynne) 08)
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To: donmeaker

It is important that Iran is also a multinational state, a fact that is never reported on. Given the historical antagonism between Arabs and Persians, between the Turks and the Persians, the quwstion is to what extent religion is the critical matter, whether it is binding enough to hold the state together.


43 posted on 11/19/2006 7:52:47 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Txsleuth

General Abizaid was visibly disturbed by the panicy reaction of the panel. How soft, how naive, how cynical, how craven they are.


44 posted on 11/19/2006 7:55:33 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

We should have got Westmoreland out of there sooner. Abrams had a better handle on matters, but you are right that the politicians got almost nothing right. The worst was Johnson, who was a great bowl of jelly.


45 posted on 11/19/2006 7:58:21 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: RobbyS

Good point..

It WAS Abizaid...who is military...that said that the mood (he used a different word) in Washington is worse than Iraq.

Glad you remembered that...thanks.


46 posted on 11/19/2006 8:07:37 PM PST by Txsleuth (Bolton/Cheney (that would be Lynne) 08)
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To: Txsleuth

I was very disturbed by the panel's lack of nerve. They have the towell firmly in hand ready to throw it in.


47 posted on 11/19/2006 8:16:00 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: PghBaldy

I take back everything nice I said about the Secretary of State.


48 posted on 11/19/2006 8:17:37 PM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (I dare call it treason.)
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To: RobbyS

Yes...they do...and this is while the GOP is STILL in the majority!

Just wait until January, there will be a BUNCH of these hearings...and the DEMS will come out firing...and instead of fighting the WAR....Abizaid and Casey and others will be tied up listening to the Congresscritters bloviate.


49 posted on 11/19/2006 8:20:29 PM PST by Txsleuth (Bolton/Cheney (that would be Lynne) 08)
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To: pinz-n-needlez
But Wolf traveled in Iraq without an official government escort, hiding his identity as a member of Congress in an effort to get an unvarnished view of the war-torn nation. "We dressed in old clothes. We lived with Iraqis, we actually went to an Iraqi wedding," Wolf recalls of those trips. "We went to all parts of the country."

If that is true, Congressman Wolf has my respect and support. It can be real tough to determine the facts on the ground when everyone knows the boss is coming for an inspection.

50 posted on 11/19/2006 8:47:44 PM PST by Maynerd (Virtual Fence - only the tax dollars are real)
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To: PghBaldy

Since Condi has been moonlighting lately as Fatah Spokesperson, this is not really surprising.


51 posted on 11/19/2006 10:02:13 PM PST by montag813
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To: PghBaldy; Bahbah; Txsleuth
Iraq Study Group Fact Sheet

Iraq Study Group

Frank R Wolf - Iraq Study Group References

52 posted on 11/20/2006 5:35:59 AM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Txsleuth
Now, is this written to get Condi out of the race (even if she says she isn't running...it would supposedly make her "fans" mad at her)??

I think it's been "leaked" to keep her IN the race. If Bush and Cheney came out and supported her, people might not take the "stabbing in the back" viewpoint. By taking credit for the "change in direction in Iraq", she might soften the anti-war opposition against her.

Mind you, I'm not saying this strategy would work - but it might indeed BE a strategy....
53 posted on 11/20/2006 5:41:17 AM PST by beezdotcom
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To: beezdotcom

That is a most interesting analysis.


54 posted on 11/20/2006 5:43:23 AM PST by Bahbah (Regev, Goldwasser and Shalit, we are praying for you)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Thanks for finding and linking these, BSF.


55 posted on 11/20/2006 6:01:24 AM PST by pinz-n-needlez (Jack Bauer wears Tony Snow pajamas)
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To: Bahbah

Looking at the names in ISG, I can't help but wonder if the CFR or other Internationalist/One Worlder groups aren't doing things publicly to rein in Bush/Cheney/Rummy.

They need to get a grip on things if they are going to get their girl in for '08 (whether that is Hillary, Condi, Nancy, Kay or someone else).

This could be a public smack because they are getting no where with behind the scenes nudging.


56 posted on 11/20/2006 6:07:42 AM PST by pinz-n-needlez (Jack Bauer wears Tony Snow pajamas)
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To: pinz-n-needlez
the CFR or other Internationalist/One Worlder groups

People who work behind the scenes, people whose names and faces we don't know, and never will.

57 posted on 11/20/2006 6:11:30 AM PST by Bahbah (Regev, Goldwasser and Shalit, we are praying for you)
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To: pinz-n-needlez

You're quite welcome. :)


58 posted on 11/20/2006 6:12:52 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: Txsleuth; PghBaldy
Diplomatic memo - May 8, 2006

Two officials involved in setting up the study group, who were granted anonymity because they did not want to be associated with criticism of Ms. Rice, said she resisted it and was unimpressed with its potential to come up with alternatives to what the administration had already been doing.

But Sean McCormack, the State Department spokesman, said Ms. Rice was enthusiastic and is "going to make sure that the State Department provides everything they need to complete their work."

The Iraq Study Group is receiving funds from Congress with the help of Mr. Wolf, who is chairman of the appropriations subcommittee in the House that controls the budget of the State Department. The group has several subgroups, including a set of retired military commanders.

59 posted on 11/20/2006 6:23:35 AM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: BigSkyFreeper; pinz-n-needlez
ISG Meetings
60 posted on 11/20/2006 6:29:06 AM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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