AMERICA'S MAYOR SEEKS LARGER EMPIRE (Giuliani as presidential candidate is scary)

NY POST ^ | November 19, 2006 | VOX POPULI (letters to the editors)

[Liz]

****......he won't be able to get conservatives on his presidential bandwagon. He is pro-choice and favors same-sex marriage, gun control and stem-cell research. He has to be able to swing Middle America. Name redacted Bellerose

**** Who is going to run Giuliani's exploratory committee? I understand Bernie Kerik, Russell Harding, Richard Roberts and a list of assorted cons are available from Giuliani's group of yes men. Maybe his driver will be our next attorney general. That's just what our country needs - more scandals. Whitestone

**** Giuliani was a terrible mayor, and has spent all his days promoting himself. Manhattan

**** Giuliani for president? What is happening to the moral high ground of the Republicans? It sounds like they are becoming the more corrupt and morally disgusting bunch of the two parties, yet they want Giuliani to lead the party of moral conviction and family values? Memphis, Tenn.

**** Giuliani as a presidential candidate is a scary concept. Manhattan

[ShawTaylor]

Given the fact that Rudy has already stated that he agrees with most of Clinton's policies, this doesn't matter in the least

Like what?
Hitlery voted against the Patriot Act in December last year for example, and has constantly trashed the Bush administration over the terrorist scum at Guantanamo.
Hitelry also claimed that the United States House of Reps that was being run by Republicans was being run "like a plantation".
Lemme know when Guiliani has come out with any such Hitlery-like positions.

[George W. Bush]

In some ways, a social liberal Republican president is in a more lethal position to undermine and destroy social conservative values than a social liberal Democrat president is. Enemies outside the gate we can at least see and set up defenses against. Lord deliver us from the master within our own household who holds the same views as our enemies.

Exactly. Do you fear the criminal lurking outside more than the one already inside your walls?

Haven't Bush's 'compassionate' conservative policies taught us anything? Defeat in both Houses and 10 trillion in debt should at least be a clue on a conservative political board.

[Dark Skies]

BTW, do you have an evidentiary source for the claim that Kerik was Giuliani's driver? I have tried to find such but keep running into dead ends.

I know about the old "Prospect" but can't seem to find any support for the claim made in it.

[George W. Bush]

Well turns out Allen had a glass jaw,. His campaign was not very well run, and for such a seasoned politician, he just made basic mistakes that he shouldn't have.

True enough. And only months back, he polled very strongly as the GOP nominee in '08.

Shows how dumb polls are this far out. So it actually weakens your case for Rudy.

What's your rush exactly? It's over a year before there's any serious campaigning. You're clinging to the only-Rudy-can-save-us life preserver pretty tightly. I'm surprised you trust Prez Bush not to get you nuked in the meantime before your savior, Rudy, can be sworn in.

[ShawTaylor]

Haven't Bush's 'compassionate' conservative policies taught us anything? Defeat in both Houses

Ok sunshine, why don't you tell me the last time ANY 2-term president was able to keep his Party in Power in BOTH Houses of congress till the 6th year of his presidency, and how many times that's even happened in out history.
Under Klinton te RATS lost control of the House after just TWO years in power.

[libertylover76]

Giuliani a 'lib dem'?

Wow, I'm sure the real lib Dems are delighted to see Republicans destroying their own. What great gameplan for '08!

[ShawTaylor]

And only months back, he polled very strongly as the GOP nominee in '08.


Wrong.
Never did.
He's always been far behind Giuliani and McCain.


Shows how dumb polls are this far out. So it actually weakens your case for Rudy.

Since your first statement is wrong, your follow up statement is even wronger.
Care to try again, Mr Hitlery's Hired Assassin?

[George W. Bush]

It's nice that you think that conservatives can survive Clinton 2. The question is, can this country survive.

Better go hide under your bed. The truth is that we are almost as endangered now as we were prior to 9/11. Very little has been done unless strip-searching old ladies at the airports floats your boat. There are still vast numbers of people who pour in over the northern and southern borders. There are hundreds of thousands of people here on visas or as students from radical Islamic countries. There is very little that anyone has done about the danger posed by, well, say a phosgene gas attack in your subways or in the ventilation of your large buildings. I mention only one type of easy attack for the sake of brevity. There are many other types of attacks we have not suffered yet that do not require airliners or large numbers of terrorists.

Only by expelling the radical Islamic elements and controlling our borders will we gain any measure of genuine security. But first we have to stop calling it the Religion Of Peace, a title especially insulting to devout Christians.

Why you place so much confidence in one gun-grabbing pro-abortion pro-sodomy liberal from New York over another one is beyond me. He's never even been elected to a statewide office and he has no experience in foreign policy. He was not in the military nor does he have any military command experience.

It's like a mirror image of Hitlery. Yet the liberal with the GOP banner is all that will save your life and the liberal with the Dim banner will kill you.

If this is typical of New York political thinking, no wonder it's had the problems it's had over the decades. The rest of the country is unlikely to buy into it.

Many Americans won't survive WMD attacks.

Then they may eventually learn not to vote for Dhimmicrats. The election of creatures like the Xlintons and the Pelosis is by those who inhabit these socialist paradises. They need to learn the consequences of their choices. They love to talk about choice. I say let them learn if they haven't yet. It's not my fault they're so stupid and I don't owe them my vote for a liberal like Rudy to save them from a liberal like Hillary. Basicly, it becomes a dispute over your favorite liberal. Not my game but I can see why you like it.

All other issues are secondary to our national security.

"Those who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security deserve neither liberty nor security." - attributed to Benjamin Franklin (but probably written by fellow diplomat Richard Jackson in a book Franklin published)

[George W. Bush]

What does bother me is the extreme Right which claims they belong in the bedroom. It is THEY who will torpedo this election. It is they who will stay home if Rudy is nominated.

Can you actually name this Republican who wants into your bedroom? Or into the bedrooms of any homosexuals?

This kind of remark exemplifies the sorts of remarks we routingely hear from liberal supporters of Giuliani. It's all the Dim talking points from supposed conservatives.

No one wants into anybody's bedroom.

[George W. Bush]

You live and die by those name-recognition polls, don't you?

We'll see how he fares as he actually starts to campaign against candidates who will expose his past and his policy history.

Three months before the election, Allen was one of the most widely discussed possible GOP nominees for '08. And he had a 33% point advantage over Webb.

According to the WaPost, "It wasn't that many months ago that Allen was seen by political insiders as already in the top tier of prospective Republican presidential candidates. In April 2005, he finished first in a National Journal magazine survey of insiders asked to predict the 2008 GOP nominee. In May, Allen finished second behind Arizona Sen. John McCain."

This long before the nomination, the political GOP insiders have more to do with picking nominees than the base does. For instance, in the fall of 1999, President Bush had locked up all the loose money and the endorsements of virtually every governor and state chairman. That's the poll that counted. That's the one Hillary is winning. That is, BTW, the one that Giuliani is trying to win with his fundraising.

Polls mean nothing more than name-recognition this far out from an election. If that's all Rudy's got besides his New York liberal politics, you'd better start praying 'cause the Muslims are gonna get you.

[Free ThinkerNY]

He's never even been elected to a statewide office and he has no experience in foreign policy. He was not in the military nor does he have any military command experience.

If you think Rudy is a mirror image of Hitlery there's no point in wasting my time responding after this. By the way, President Bush had no foreign policy experience. I suppose he should resign the Presidency immediately. Franklin Roosevelt was never in the military and had no command experience. I guess he wasn't qualified to be President and lead us in WW2.
As for giving up essential liberty, Rudy had to make many compromises in order to run NYC. If he had not, Dinkins would have been re-elected and the city would have been much worse off. I'm sure that Rudy would not have to make some of those same compromises on a national level.

[George W. Bush]

As for giving up essential liberty, Rudy had to make many compromises in order to run NYC. If he had not, Dinkins would have been re-elected and the city would have been much worse off. I'm sure that Rudy would not have to make some of those same compromises on a national level.

And some of his most liberal policies are ones that he agrees with Dinkins and liberal Dims on, in opposition to all the Red states needed to win. And he has bragged about holding those positions repeatedly.

On abortion, gun rights, pro-family issues, Rudy is every bit as liberal as Hillary or more so. His nomination will be the death knell of the old Republican alliance with conservative voters on smaller government, strong defense, moral values. You intend to smash it all so you can have a liberal candidate that will end up losing to Hillary anyway, even in New York. But it won't matter much to you because you're content with Hillary anyway.

Good grief, he ducked an election with her in 2000. Then he refused to run this year. If he can take her out so easily, then why didn't he run against her for Senate this year?

He's a stalking horse for Hillary. He is the master of ceremonies for her coronation.

[happinesswithoutpeace]

Read Kerik's Autobio. There is your source.

[TommyDale]

"I know first hand what Guliani has done for New York."

The rest of the country doesn't care one iota. We are concerned what his liberal social agenda will do to the rest of America. We don't want to be like New York, thankyouverymuch!

[Dark Skies]

Thx.

[happinesswithoutpeace]

No prob.

[TET1968]

"He's EXACTLY the kind of President I want.and no amount of "gay friend this" or "homosexual employee" that will change my mind. No matter how bad the MSM, or you evidently, wants me to dwell on it."

These anti Rudy threads are a forum for validating the left's hate speech about the "intolerant right". Some communist can go on CNN and accuratletly state "Just browse Free Republic, you'll find there all homophobes and cross dressing image collectors. Look how they vilified America's mayor,Rudy Giuliani"

[JHBowden]

"IMHO - Don't run and risk fracturing the party...
But do RINO's ever listen??"

Well, I suppose we could run candidates with a regional, southern appeal and be a regional, souther party, and be 100% pure. Say hello to President Hillary! with a Democratic Congress.

[TommyDale]

Thanks for the Rudy pings. I have a theory on 2008 now.

[JCEccles]

Well, I suppose we could run candidates with a regional, southern appeal

In the past 40 years, the only successful Democrat presidential candidates have been southerners of a more or less social conservative bent.

There's a reason for that.

Republicans can't win by appealing to social liberals; Democrats can't win except by appealing to social conservatives.