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A Question from a Webb Supporter
The Washington Post ^ | November 14, 2006 | John Whitesides

Posted on 11/14/2006 1:51:18 PM PST by DCBandita

The announcement by McCain, who has put together campaign organizations in many of the states with early nominating contests, was widely expected. The intentions of Giuliani, who has been less active in early organizing, had been less clear.

Giuliani's campaign team said the committee was simply an opening move designed to keep his options open, with a final decision still to come.

"This filing affords him the opportunity to raise money and put together an organization to assist him in making his decision," Giuliani adviser Anthony Carbonetti said.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism
KEYWORDS: conservatives; neocons; theocons; zot
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To: NittanyLion

Seconded. A dialog is better than a circle jerk of name calling.


381 posted on 11/14/2006 5:52:41 PM PST by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, ATF and DEA)
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To: DCBandita

I'd appreciate any thoughtful insight from this community.

You sound reasonable but you may have some uncivil comments from some in here who are the extreme right.

I think we'd have better government without the extremes of both parties. I don't think we'll see that happen so for many of us we must make big compromises when we vote.


382 posted on 11/14/2006 5:53:03 PM PST by Joan Kerrey
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To: DCBandita

By the way, it's fashionable to say that you're socially liberal and fiscally conservative, but in point of fact, most people are exactly the opposite... distinctly uncomfortable with abortion, militant homosexuality, etc., but perfectly willing to vote for government largess of any and all kinds.


383 posted on 11/14/2006 5:53:45 PM PST by Sloth (The GOP is to DemonRats in politics as Michael Jackson is to Jeffrey Dahmer in babysitting.)
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To: Sloth
Abortion has nothing to do with religion. It's a dehumanization issue, just like slavery was.

Democrats supported slavery, so it makes sense that they'd support abortion.

384 posted on 11/14/2006 5:53:56 PM PST by darkangel82 (Everyone has the right to be an idiot, but on DU they abuse the privilege.)
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To: DCBandita
...you can't reduce that debt without gaining additional revenue by repealing parts of the tax cuts.

Another liberal lie.

385 posted on 11/14/2006 5:54:46 PM PST by Petronski (BRABANTIO: Thou art a villain. IAGO: You are--a senator. ---Othello I.i.)
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To: libertylover76

We are currying favor with Russia and China for two reasons that I can see:

1) Bush and Rice believe in talk first, unfortunately, that seems to go on forever. After all, it took us 2 years of talk to invade Iraq.

2) If we don't get some type of agreement with China and Russia on North Korea, we'll end up fighting China and Russia along with North Korea and that would be a "problem".

Regarding Bosnia, my point was there was no reason for us to be there. At all. Neither side was threatening us. Whereas in Iraq, we had good reason to be concerned that Saddam was funding people who were actively or in the near future going to cause the US harm.


386 posted on 11/14/2006 5:55:51 PM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: DCBandita
When I graduated college I lived in my car as I tried to make my way.

You should have worked as an abortionist, you could have made a killing.

Whooops, bad pun.

I mean, you could have made a LOT of money.

387 posted on 11/14/2006 5:55:53 PM PST by Petronski (BRABANTIO: Thou art a villain. IAGO: You are--a senator. ---Othello I.i.)
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To: Petronski

Good argument. You're dazzling me with your debating technique. Keep it coming!


388 posted on 11/14/2006 5:56:19 PM PST by DCBandita
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To: DCBandita
Considered mainly on my feelings coupled with the fact that a fetus of that age can't exist outside the womb. Notwithstanding the science of a pre-90-day fetus, my feelings are an appropriate way to judge as I also see it as an issue of morality not legality

A 91 day fetus can not survive outside the womb. A 1 day old baby can not exist outside the womb absent parental care.

I'll try one more time but you have seemingly made a choice to ignore my posts. That's OK, it's a free country.

You live in a world that is no more real than Alice in Wonderlands. You're deficient on the science, the law and the role of morality in a constitutional republic. Hey we're not all perfect but as you wander back to where you came from I'll leave you with these two challenges to ponder.

If an unborn baby is not a human being what is it?

And see if you and your friends can find just ONE law in this country that is absent a moral component.

You won't find one so I'd suggest you widen your horizons a bit, ditch the "you can't legislate morality" bit (that is all we legislate) and let me know how the kangaroo trans-mutates into a human being on day 91.

Adios Bandita!

389 posted on 11/14/2006 5:56:54 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: darkangel82
Democrats supported slavery, so it makes sense that they'd support abortion.

Both are about containing those 'troublesome minorities.'

390 posted on 11/14/2006 5:57:00 PM PST by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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To: Petronski

Another zinger!! The fact that it's a really bad joke without substance is immaterial - you go! ((yawn))


391 posted on 11/14/2006 5:57:12 PM PST by DCBandita
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To: DCBandita

I'm not debating you. I'm pointing out the sinister heart of "your moral matrix."


392 posted on 11/14/2006 5:58:03 PM PST by Petronski (BRABANTIO: Thou art a villain. IAGO: You are--a senator. ---Othello I.i.)
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To: jwalsh07
I will vote for McCain over Giuliani if it comes to that but I will do that with a very heavy heart, about a trillion tons worth.

Yikes, you "one issue" voter you! :)

393 posted on 11/14/2006 5:58:07 PM PST by Torie
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To: DCBandita
...it's a really bad joke without substance...

Sorry to make you uncomfortable with yourself.

394 posted on 11/14/2006 5:59:06 PM PST by Petronski (BRABANTIO: Thou art a villain. IAGO: You are--a senator. ---Othello I.i.)
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To: section9

I actually think there's a good chance that Rudy will win the Republican Presidential nomination, and then go on to win the general election in 2008. Two strong points he has going for him are (1) He's a likeable politician who connects with voters much better than McCain and many others, and (2) He would make a strong Presidential candidate, at least as strong as McCain, and right now Republicans desperately want a winner in 2008.

Rudy's two big weaknesses with Republican primary voters are guns and abortion. But I agree that both of those are finessable. On the gun issue, he can easily consign it to the "states's rights" bin and say that he won't be promoting any more restrictive federal legislation. The Right to Keep and Bear Arms has lost much of its urgency as an issue, now that more and more Democrats are terrified of it, and the Assault Weapons Ban has expired (with no horrific consequences), and CCW reform and no-retreat laws are continuing to spread among the states. We are no longer in imminent danger of losing our 2nd Amendment rights, so it won't matter as much who occupies the White House as long as the person isn't a crusading gun-grabber.

On the abortion issue, Rudy can promise to appoint "originalist" judges who will respect the Constitution, and that will probably be sufficient. I'm much more worried about the kind of judges McCain would appoint, since he'll filter out anyone who might respect the Constitution enough to overturn his campaign finance laws. Most pro-life Republican primary voters (in contrast to many Freepers) will understand that they are not going to be able to elect a President who is explicitly dedicated to reversing Roe v Wade. The best they can hope for is a President who will appoint more judges like Alito and Roberts, and then see if that leads to some revisions in the Supreme Court's abortion guidelines (e.g., permitting bans on partial birth abortions, and permitting parental notification laws, and permitting some restrictions on third-trimester abortions).


395 posted on 11/14/2006 5:59:55 PM PST by dpwiener
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To: Petronski

In your opinion. Which is what you are espousing. And I have heard it. And you can comment as much as you want and cast moral judgments - that's your right. But it's just noise level to me because you aren't saying anything compelling enough to command reflection or attention.


396 posted on 11/14/2006 6:00:10 PM PST by DCBandita
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To: Petronski

Not as sorry as I am to point out that you are neither clever nor particularly enlightened, but hey. C'est la vie.


397 posted on 11/14/2006 6:01:05 PM PST by DCBandita
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To: Torie
I have come to the conclusion that McCain, should he choose to do it, stands between the Huns and the Gates.

It is causing me no end of intestinal turbidity.

And in this case the issue is not abortion, it is islamofascists.

Pray for my soul you near atheist you.

398 posted on 11/14/2006 6:02:18 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Petronski

And aren't you the same person who, about 200 comments ago, basically said that only those women who have given birth have the right to an informed opinion about abortion? Meh.


399 posted on 11/14/2006 6:02:27 PM PST by DCBandita
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To: DCBandita
But it's just noise level to me because you aren't saying anything compelling enough to command reflection or attention.

You're a "good German," and thus not all that prone to reflection or attention about the ghastly dehumanization that you've internalized into your "moral matrix."

400 posted on 11/14/2006 6:02:29 PM PST by Petronski (BRABANTIO: Thou art a villain. IAGO: You are--a senator. ---Othello I.i.)
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