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A Question from a Webb Supporter
The Washington Post ^ | November 14, 2006 | John Whitesides

Posted on 11/14/2006 1:51:18 PM PST by DCBandita

The announcement by McCain, who has put together campaign organizations in many of the states with early nominating contests, was widely expected. The intentions of Giuliani, who has been less active in early organizing, had been less clear.

Giuliani's campaign team said the committee was simply an opening move designed to keep his options open, with a final decision still to come.

"This filing affords him the opportunity to raise money and put together an organization to assist him in making his decision," Giuliani adviser Anthony Carbonetti said.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism
KEYWORDS: conservatives; neocons; theocons; zot
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To: Petronski

That's right. Actual, living people. Not cells. And I suppose in your world one view negates the other. How... big of you.

It's people like you, frankly, who solidify my resolve to fight against giving YOU dominion over my decision-making.


361 posted on 11/14/2006 5:33:34 PM PST by DCBandita
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To: DCBandita

You posted here.
You told who you are.
It's not just your understanding of life, everything you say reeks of insipidity.

It's sad to see someone as young as you intellectually frozen.
But it's not my problem. Good night.


362 posted on 11/14/2006 5:33:36 PM PST by mrsmith
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To: DCBandita
"And as a woman, I don't agree with your right to impose your beliefs on me on this issue."

And at the end of the day, as a man, I wish I had "reproductive rights".

363 posted on 11/14/2006 5:34:09 PM PST by Trinity5
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To: libertylover76

I think we're far from helpless when it comes to the ability to project military might in other locations.

After all, we are now only a stone's throw from Iran and Syria, and certainly within missile and bomb range of N. Korea. I don't think we'd ever invade N. Korea in any event, or at least not until a long bombing campaign had attrited their ability to do much more than throw spears.

And the Bosnian "adventure", as you put it, had no bearing on any national interest of ours. In fact, it went entirely against our national interest in that we've been arming the Islamists there and helping wipe out the Christians. I really don't think it's the Christians who've been killing Americans around the globe for the last 30 years.


364 posted on 11/14/2006 5:34:09 PM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: mrsmith

You're surely entitled to your opinion. And thanks again for thinking I'm "young".


365 posted on 11/14/2006 5:34:21 PM PST by DCBandita
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To: DCBandita
OK. I am down to your post #239.

You do't consider prior to 90 days fetuses people. Okie doke. On what premise? Do you have sources, other than your own feelings?

I can assume that there are people who don't consider newborn babies people...the guy at Princeton comes to mind. Should we kill new born babies because there are pepople who think that way?

366 posted on 11/14/2006 5:35:08 PM PST by Miss Marple (Lord, thank you for Mozart Lover's son's safe return, and look after Jemian's son, please!)
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To: DCBandita
Actual, living people. Not cells.

Actual living people ARE cells.

...who solidify my resolve to fight against giving YOU dominion...

I don't want any dominion over you. It would be worthless. Minds like yours find a way to kill whether it's illegal or not.

367 posted on 11/14/2006 5:36:24 PM PST by Petronski (BRABANTIO: Thou art a villain. IAGO: You are--a senator. ---Othello I.i.)
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To: Miss Marple
Should we kill new born babies because there are people who think that way?

That's next.

368 posted on 11/14/2006 5:37:21 PM PST by Petronski (BRABANTIO: Thou art a villain. IAGO: You are--a senator. ---Othello I.i.)
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To: DCBandita

"That type of blanket categorization blinds you to compromise."

Let's talk about euthanizing the severely handicapped and terminally ill, to see where we can find the right compromise line.


369 posted on 11/14/2006 5:39:06 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Aure entuluva.)
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To: Miss Marple

Considered mainly on my feelings coupled with the fact that a fetus of that age can't exist outside the womb. Notwithstanding the science of a pre-90-day fetus, my feelings are an appropriate way to judge as I also see it as an issue of morality not legality.

Look. I'm tired of the "Pro-abortion" meme. I had a friend growing up who was pro-life and found herself with an unwanted pregnancy at a young age. I would NEVER suggest to her that abortion was an option because I understood and respected her beliefs. The best I could do for her was be there for her through her pregnancy and offer whatever assistance I had at my disposal to be her friend, hold her hand, and help her.

I would never want a person who didn't want an abortion to have one. So WHY - if my moral matrix says that abortion is NOT murder and a matter of personal choice up to a certain time, would anyone tell me that I couldn't have one?

I would be hard-pressed to find a person who said they thought abortion was GREAT. So given that, the commonality is a desire to REDUCE abortions. I don't understand why we can't work to making it virtually obsolete rather than fight about it's being right and wrong while it continues, legal or not!


370 posted on 11/14/2006 5:39:56 PM PST by DCBandita
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To: Vicomte13

Maybe she doesn't consider the severely handicapped or mentally ill to be human. Hmmm?


371 posted on 11/14/2006 5:40:03 PM PST by Petronski (BRABANTIO: Thou art a villain. IAGO: You are--a senator. ---Othello I.i.)
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To: Miss Marple

"Who speaks for the unborn?"

We do.
Which is why we have no choice but to "impose our values" on others on the topic.
They can't be persuaded, and we can't let the babies be killed.


372 posted on 11/14/2006 5:41:37 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Aure entuluva.)
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To: Vicomte13

If a mentally competent person who was severaly handicapped or terminally ill CHOSE to have themselves euthanized, I'd be all for it. It's more of that "dominion over myself and my body thing".


373 posted on 11/14/2006 5:41:37 PM PST by DCBandita
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To: DCBandita
...my moral matrix says that abortion is NOT murder...


I would be hard-pressed to find a person who said they thought abortion was GREAT.

It's a very profitable endeavor. Ask anyone with a Planned Barrenhood franchise.

374 posted on 11/14/2006 5:41:49 PM PST by Petronski (BRABANTIO: Thou art a villain. IAGO: You are--a senator. ---Othello I.i.)
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To: DCBandita
"I'm waltzing out on a limb here because I don't know whether or not anyone has proposed this or if it's even do-able, but perhaps the cool down should/could be for first-time gun owners? If a cool-down period prevents one crime of passion, I think it's worth it."

We had a Federally mandated waiting period during the 90s. It had no recordable effect on crime.

375 posted on 11/14/2006 5:44:11 PM PST by Trinity5
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To: cinives

As a Christian, I don't feel a hell of a lot safer for overthrowing a regime that was mostly concerned with killing Saddam's Muslim co-religionsists.

The fact is that for all your talk of missile ranges we have been reduced to currying favor with Russia and China in order to achieve minimal restraints on Iran and North Korea.

(By the way, while I didn't support Clinton's Balkan adventures, you have a wild imagination if you think Islamists killed a tenth as many Christians as Islamists were killed by Christians there. Serbia will forever be stained by its butchery.)


376 posted on 11/14/2006 5:45:04 PM PST by libertylover76
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To: DCBandita

I can agree there. There was no conservative legislation in DC since W decided to team up with the likes of Ted "the Swimmer" Kennedy and others on NCLB and the vast Medicare expansion. However, constitutionally - legislation comes out of Congress, not the White House.

Conservatives and limited government Republicans don't see what you call the "economic divide" as any business of politicians.

When I graduated college I owned a 5 yo car and nothing else. Today, after years of hard work, I am a successful small business owner. You Dems want to think that somehow it was just the luck of the draw. The reason for that is that those who are wealthy in your party either inherited their wealth (Kennedy), married it (Pelosi, Kerry), or are using their to take away others' wealth (Soros, Gates, Buffet, Turner). Whereas, Republicans (the conservative type) know that much wealth is self-made and that if you put in the effort, you should be rewarded.

We did get tax cuts for all, however, leading to this booming economy. Give Bush a lot of credit for that one. If left up to your party we'd still be bumping along the bottom. Remember, people who don't pay taxes can't get a tax cut.


377 posted on 11/14/2006 5:46:45 PM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: DCBandita
"So do you deal with them or not?"

Depends. I am somewhere between a 'small L' libertarian (as separate from the whacked out political party) and a 'paleo-conservative or Bob Taft Republican (meaning that I would have had grave qualms about getting into WW2, loyalty to the Brits probably overcoming loathing of foreign involvement, at least in Europe).
I'm a 'second Amendment absolutist' which is to say that unless someone is a felon I think they should be able to have pretty much anything they can carry *AND* have no intention of compromising with ANY candidate who is not pretty much in line with that particular point. The Pro Life folks are pretty much the same way.
So... if the 'centrists' are smart enough to avoid p!ssing off voters for whom an issue really is worth fighting to the death for they can get their way sometimes.
Either ideological extreme ignores the centrists at their peril. Rush pointed out that minimum wage provisions won everywhere they were on the ballot AND those same places all had a bigger than average Democratic turn out; apparently it's an issue that the ideological purists on the right keep getting their butts kicked on, just like the 'left' goes against the rights of gun owners at its extreme peril.
378 posted on 11/14/2006 5:47:32 PM PST by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, ATF and DEA)
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To: DCBandita

Abortion has nothing to do with religion. It's a dehumanization issue, just like slavery was.


379 posted on 11/14/2006 5:51:00 PM PST by Sloth (The GOP is to DemonRats in politics as Michael Jackson is to Jeffrey Dahmer in babysitting.)
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To: cinives

When I graduated college I lived in my car as I tried to make my way. So we have that sort of in common.

I'm not opposed to all of the tax cut. But I'd definitely repeal the cuts for the upper 2% as well as repeal the capital gains tax cut. Service on the national debt is yet again growing to be the single biggest non-investment expenditure by government. Just as living your life on credit cards doesn't make sense, neither does excessive debt carried by the government. Given that we are spending what we are on the war, you can't reduce that debt without gaining additional revenue by repealing parts of the tax cuts.

The economic divide is real. We are at a 0% savings rate as a nation. The proportion of those who live paycheck-to-paycheck has grown. The proportion of those who are underemployed has grown. The proportion without health care has grown. Bankrupticies have grown. Foreclosures are beginning to grow. And this isn't the investment class with these problems - it's the working middle class who are a trip to the doctor's away from being in serious trouble. This will have a cost, and it's better to avoid it rather than incur it.


380 posted on 11/14/2006 5:52:18 PM PST by DCBandita
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