Posted on 11/13/2006 10:57:02 PM PST by B4Ranch
FAITH UNDER FIRE
Ten Commandments stunner:
Feds lying at Supreme Court
Government tells modern visitors
it's Bill of Rights being honored
Every argument before the U.S. Supreme Court and every opinion the judges deliver comes in the presence of the Ten Commandments, God's law given to Moses on a fire-scorched mountain, and now represented for the United States in the very artwork embedded in the high court structure.
In today's world of revisionist history, the proof comes through the work of a California pastor who visited the Supreme Court building recently when he was in Washington and was surprised that what the tour guides were telling him wasn't the same thing as what he was seeing.
Todd DuBord, pastor of the Lake Almanor Community Church in California, said he was traveling with his wife, Tracy, and was more than startled during recent visits to the courthouse and two other historic locations to discover that the stories of the nation's heritage had been sterilized of Christian references.
His entire research compilation is available online.
"Having done some research (before the trip), I absolutely was not expecting to hear those remarks," which, he told WND, simply "denied history."
So he's written to the Supreme Court, and several other groups, asking them to restore the historic Christian influences to their information, and he's documented his research to explain to those interested what the history is and how it's been subverted.
"I would like to see the record rectified and the proper Christian and Judeo-Christian depictions taught in these places," he told WND.
He was most disturbed by what appears to be revisionism in the presentations given to visitors at the Supreme Court. There, he said, his tour guide was describing the marble frieze directly above the justices' bench.
"Between the images of the people depicting the Majesty of the Law and Power of Government, there is a tablet with ten Roman numerals, the first five down the left side and the last five down the right. This tablet represents the first ten amendments of the Bill of Rights," she said.
The ten what? was DuBord's thought.
Unwilling to be confrontational, he went home and started some research.
One official Supreme Court document, he found, cited a letter from sculptor Adolph A. Weinman that said the "pylon" carved with Roman numerals I to X "symbolizes the first ten amendments to the Constitution." But the letter was anomalous; it didn't have a number of certifying marks that were typical of others.
So he continued looking and after calling in some assistance in his hunt for evidence, he found a 1975 official U.S. Supreme Court Handbook, prepared under the direction of Mark Cannon, administrative assistant to the chief justice. It said, "Directly above the Bench are two central figures, depicting Majesty of the Law and Power of Government. Between them is a tableau of the Ten Commandments…"
Further research produced information that in 1987 the building was designated a National Historic Landmark, and came under control of the U.S. Department of the Interior, and under the new management the handbook was rewritten in 1988. The Ten Commandments reference was left out of that edition, and nothing replaced it.
The next reference found said only the frieze "symbolizes early written laws" and then in 1999, the reference first appeared to that depiction being the "Ten Amendments to the Bill of Rights."
"The more I got into it (his research), the more I saw Christianity had been abandoned from history," he told WND.
When he asked, his recent tour guide denied there were any Ten Commandments representations in the Supreme Court building, he said.
One who was not surprised by the circumstances, however, was Judge Roy Moore, a WND columnist and the former chief justice of the Alabama Supreme Court. He was removed from office on a federal judge's order because he refused to remove a depiction of the Ten Commandments from the Alabama courthouse.
"They've distorted history to come up with their own version of things," he told WND. What such changes do, he said, "is divorce ourselves from an understanding of where our rights come from."
Without rights coming from God, he noted, government "assumes control over everything, including what you think."
"Why would they say the Ten Commandments weren't there? They had to come up with something. I could see the progressive disappearance of the word 'commandment' from their literature," said DuBord.
He had just returned from a trip to Turkey, where ancient Ephesus is.
"The tour guide was Muslim, and went on to say, with all respect to all of you, I need to say something to you about the Apostle Paul. ... And he went into an apologetic of Paul's teachings."
"He told us, 'These things happened here,'" DuBord said.
But then to return to the U.S. and find Christianity edited from history left him almost speechless.
"I thought, we started as a Christian nation, and we can't even get this here."
DeBord also noted that during his research of the "Weinman letter," he found another memorial in Washington, "The Oscar Solomon Memorial," noting the accomplishments of the first Jew to serve in a president's cabinet. It's on 14th Street between Pennsylvania and Constitution avenues.
It also was designed by Weinman, and like the Supreme Court image, depicts a human figure leaning on the same table with Roman numerals just as the East Wall Frieze.
But this time, an artist's letter confirms the tablets represent the Ten Commandments.
"Would Weinman have sculpted two identical tablets, in the same city, each with the Roman numerals I through V on one side and VI through X on the other, but with totally different identities?" DuBord wondered. "It seems very unlikely."
The current information office at the Supreme Court declined to talk on the record with WND when asked about Ten Commandments representations on the building, referring questioners to the website.
There, a document does indicate "Moses" is one of various lawgivers portrayed in the friezes, but the site doesn't mention "Ten Commandments." It does mention the "Ten Amendments."
DuBord said he knew of other representations, such as the lower part of the inside of each of the oak doors where people enter the inner Court Chamber, where two tablets carry Roman numerals I-V and VI-X.
But DuBord's tour guide said those – too – were the Ten Amendments.
He then asked, "If there are no other depictions of Moses or the Ten Commandments on the building except on the South Wall Frieze in the U.S. Supreme Court, then what about on the east side of the building where Moses is the central figure among others, holding both tablets of the Ten Commandments, one in each arm?"
"Her response shocked me as much as the guide inside the Court chamber. 'There is no depiction of Moses and the Ten Commandments like that on the U.S. Supreme Court,'" DuBord said he was told.
He asked if there were any pictures of the representation, and she pulled one out.
"Her eyes widened in surprise. There was Moses in photo and description as the central figure, holding the Ten Commandments (tablets), one in each hand," DuBord wrote.
Although there are six depictions of Moses and-or the Ten Commandments at the Supreme Court, the tour guides had been trained to admit to only the one on Moses, he said.
One doesn't have to be Christian, or endorse Christianity, to recognize its influence in history, he said.
"I am … respectfully requesting that the complete educational history regarding the depictions of Moses and The Ten Commandments be rediscovered and retaught to U.S. Supreme Court guides and to the public in the U.S. Supreme Court Building," he suggested in a letter to the court.
DuBord grew up without religion, but during seven years of academic study at Bethany University and Fuller Theological Seminary accepted that the claims of Christianity are true.
He's served in various prison, drug and alcohol rehab ministries and worked as a youth pastor and associate pastor before assuming his duties in Lake Almanor.
His messages can be downloaded at www.iTunes.com, by typing in "almanor" or "dubord."
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This article is IMO solid proof that something evil is taking place in America and this is NOT porn on the Internet!
Godless Liberalism permeates every fabric of our society now... it will take an act of God to reverse the tide.
Newsflash: Moses was not a Christian.
AMENDMENT I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...
10 Commandments don't exactly jive with the Bill of Rights, guess which the Supreme Court is charged with upholding...
I've been watching the history channels over the last few years. Everyone is given credit for our founding except our founding fathers and all principles are either attributed to native American influences or some other equally problematic source.
I don't deny that some of our found principles may have touched on native American influences, but I do not see those as the major driving force. One historic program I witnessed in the last 48 hours stated that much of our founding principles were derived from the Indians.
There is a epidemic of revisionist efforts these days. I don't think we dismiss what they are doing lightly withour severe repercussions.
It appears to me, that any European or Biblical influences on our founding, is being systematically rewritten out. The evil white man syndrome seems to be a very popular view these days.
Christianity is the fastest growing religion in the world and it's the hardcores that comprise most of the growth. We don't need the sponsorship of the state. All we need to do is follow the Great Commission.
Indeed, Christianity is growing fastest in nations where it is persecuted, like China. The fervor and growth there is astonishing--estimates are that there are now more than 80 million Chinese Christians. As fast as the authorities can bulldoze the house churches and arrest the leaders, they move the Church and new leaders arise. The group our Church has sponsored there now tell us that they don't need our help anymore--they are self-sustaining. In fact, they are planning on sending missionaries to Europe in the next few years.
We have also sponsored (in part) the translation of the Bible into an obscure indigenous language in Guatamala. Every year, we send a team of our adult engineers and teens into remote villages there and install clean water systems and share the Gospel. It works.
I personally believe that one of the worst things that ever happend to Christianity was it being adopted as the official state religion of the Roman Empire. Wealth and power make us lazy, corrupt, and Laeodician.
I guess what I'm saying is it really doesn't matter what the the tour guide says the Roman Numerals in the Supreme Court building stand for. Teach your children well and leave the rest up to God. Don't depend on the State to do it. Governments are inherently corrupt and corrupting and trying to make them the instrument of God is a lost cause before it even starts.
Denying that the artwork embedded within the Supreme Court building doesn't have Christian backgrounds is straight out and out lying.
Each session of Congress started with a prayer. They aren't trying to establish a religion, they are exercising their right to ask for Christs guidance in their daily work.
Around 1981 a friend showed me the anti-gun agenda and began my interest in politics. That was proof enough for me. Things have certainly gotten worse though.
I'm not a Christian but I find this purging of God and Christianity from America disturbing and repugnant. The evil is fanaticism and its form, in this case, is secular progessivism. (Formerly known as Marxist communism.)
To read a fair-to-middling exegesis on fanaticism see my profile page. It is designed to reveal the causal mindset of fanaticism and make it possible to identify it in any form great or small. I am hoping that understanding its cause will help us defeat it.
>>We don't need the sponsorship of the state.<<
I'm not saying we do but why should we allow our own government to dent its roots
>>It appears to me, that any European or Biblical influences on our founding, is being systematically rewritten out.<<
That is our culture that they are wiping away. Just what do you consider is something worth fighting for?
Moses was a Jew, not a Christian.
The Supreme Court building was created in the early 30's, and the artwork indeed contains the 10 commandments and Moses. It is a tribute to historical law givers, not a nod to religious roots. It'd probably chap your ass to know they included Mohammed.
"Courtroom friezes - the South Wall Frieze includes figures of lawgivers from the B.C.E. times, and includes Menes, Hammurabi, Moses, Solomon, Lycurgus, Solon, and Draco.
The North Wall Frieze shows lawgivers from the Anno Domini era and includes representations of Justinian, Muhammad, Charlemange, King John, Louis IX, Hugo Grotius, Sir William Blackstone, John Marshall, and Napoleon."
The histrionics from WND are really silly...
I can't speak for B4ranch but I didn't see in his posts that he was worried for Christianity. At least not in particular. I'm amazed that you seem to have no concern for the complete rewriting of American history. Every religion, in fact every liberty of any kind, is at stake. America is what is being attacked here. But perhaps you hold our republic in as much contempt as any form of government!?! Your post gives that impression.
May be, but ALL laws in our country stem from those first Ten Commandments. Those who designed the Supreme Court building acknowledged that connection. I guess in this era of not wanting to offend anyone, the recent stewards of the building didn't want any religious references at all, which is quite silly.
Thank you. What I see is our government preparing society for a godless communistic society. I'll be dead when it finally happens but my children won't unless they die fighting for freedom and liberty.
Unless you're prepared to declare that Moses and the ten commandments is irrelevant to Christianity you're splitting hairs. In addition if all the figures in the SC friezes are equal in import why are the rest still recognized for what they are yet Moses has been reduced to a non-entities and his tablets have been morphed into the Bill of Rights? Just a random defilement of history is it?
I never wanted any children but I regret now that I have none to stand by yours. I expect I'll also be gone before 'it's time.'
No, what chaps my ass is American who refuse to fight for America and the roots upon which our country was established.
Most men and nations die lying down. I see you have already assumed the position.
If ALL laws in our country stem from the 10 commandments can you rectify the incongruency of freedom of religion in the Bill of Rights and the commandments expressly forbidding religious freedom?
I guess I don't look to the government for instruction about god, maybe that's why I'm not as confused. With respect to advancing communism, one needs to look no farther than the expansion of federal entitlements by those who call themselves "compassionate conservatives". Communism isn't a tourist guide's spiel at the Supreme Court, it's the government seizing and distributing more and more of what the people in this nation produce. That's coming at you from the White House and the Congress, not the federal parks service.
You're not confused? Who said anything about the government giving or not giving instruction on God? I don't see it in the article and I don't see it in any post here.
No, I'm declaring that Christianity is irrelevant to the display of historical lawgivers viewable inside the Supreme Court. It's an absurd leap to look at a freize of a dozen historical lawmakers, point to the Jewish leader (whilst ignoring the founder of Islam and others who worshipped different gods), and say it's evidence of Christian roots in our nation's founding. Especially when the whole damn thing was conceived and created in the 1930's
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