Police: Pedestrian Fires Machine Gun

AP via Newsday ^ | November 13, 2006, 11:38 PM EST | ?

[CGTRWK]

I bought a standard weight .375 H&H. 9 pounds scoped and slung. I had of course heard all the stories of killing on both ends. So I touched off the first round with some trepidation, to say the least.

It isn't bad at all. If you've fired a 12 gauge slug in a light gun you've felt worse. I'm not notably resilient to recoil. Those slugs genuinely hurt and I won't shoot them. The .375 isn't on that level. It is a bit too brisk to be fun on the bench, but that's about all you can say without exaggerating. It doesn't hurt. No hairs knocked off, no headache, no scope eye, no black and blue shoulder.

Buy one and go get your bear. A CZ 550 would be a great gun to put it in.

[spunkets]

"and apparently a .338 win mag is now an 'elephant gun'."

A 30-06 has been an elephant gun for years.

[oldenuff2no]

My 375H&H has a VIAS break on the front end and a good pad on the back end. It comes back at you but it pushes it doesn't smack the crap out of your shoulder. I don't shoot it much because it's too much gun for everything in the lower 48.
I'm not a big magnum fan. I stick with a 280 AI for all of my rifle-hunting but I really prefer my Hoyt VTEC.

[GSlob]

Well, my beef with 338 lapua round is the barrel wear. From what I read, it is more like 2-3000 rounds, versus 6-8000 for 300 winmag. And one could, by using a 2" longer barrel and underloading the ammo a bit [so the final muzzle velocity is the same] extend the barrel life in winmag. In lapua the same trick should be possible as well, but .338 rifles are already heavier even without a longer barrel, and getting custom barrels for them is a bit iffier.

[alpo]

I think it was a .45-120 Sharps. 50 more grains of black powder.

[alpo]

Oops. Google says it was a .45-110 Sharps.

[Eastbound]

Blow up:

[proud_yank]

Thanks for the info, and pics too!

[proud_yank]

I think that a .375 H&H is what I am really leaning towards for a moose rifle. I'd like to try and get a grizzly next fall too, as I'll likely see some if I go for moose. What is the typical range for a .375? What would you advise for a scope??

I've never fired a rifle that large, but waterfowling with a super-mag 12 doesn't bother me too much. I'm leaning towards a Rem Model 700 XCR, which fits quite well and is supposed to have an excellent recoil pad. I want something durable, and weather resistant.

That CZ 550 is pretty, how much do they go for?

[proud_yank]

I stand corrected.

[proud_yank]

I think I have a long time ago, but I'll have to check it out again. Those Sharps rifles are pretty neat.

[proud_yank]

Big game has been taken with .22's, which aren't a 'big game rifle'.

I always thought that a .375 was the absolute smallest for African elephant, and is still considered too small.

[Caipirabob]

 

Ingram M10/M11 submachine gun

Gordon Ingram created a series of submachine gun models that resembled the Thompson Submachine Gun outwardly. Unlike the Thompson, however, these guns required a minimum of machining and were simple to operate. This gun is little larger than a conventional pistol but has a telescoping/folding metal stock and a front strap for aid in controlling the gun. The bolt telescopes around the barrel which extends back into the gun to just in front and above the magazine well. Two chamberings of the M-10 were offered, one in 9mm Luger and the other in .45 ACP.

Later Ingram created an even more compact version of the gun, the Model 11, chambered for .380 ACP. All models fire with extremely high cyclic rates. A number of other variants of the M-10 have since been produced including the M-11/9 (a compact 9mm version of the M-11) and semiautomatic "assault pistol" versions of the gun. All of these efforts met with varying success, and the original goal of Ingram, to create a viable military submachine gun, has never been realized. The military never became more than mildly curious about the super-compact submachine guns and has instead opted for "chopped" rifles like the AR-15 variant, the M4 Carbine, or the Heckler & Koch MP 5 submachine gun. About 10,000 guns were made, but relatively few have ever been used by regular military forces.

Production: 1970-1975

Manufacturers: Various. Currently manufactured as the Cobray M11 by SWD Inc

Service: Bolivia, Colombia, Guatemala, Honduras, Israel, Portugal, UK, USA and Venezuela

Cartridge:
    Model 10: .45 ACP or 9mm Parabellum
    Model 11: 9mm Short (.380ACP) or 9mm Parabellum

Operation: Blowback

Feed box, magazine:
    Model 10: 30/32 rounds
    Model 11: 16 or 32 rounds

Firing mode: Selective

Weights empty:
    Model 10: 2.84 kg
    Model 11: 1.59 kg

Lengths (no stock):
    Model 10: 267 mm
    Model 11: 222 mm

Lengths (stock telescoped):
    Model 10: 269 mm
    Model 11: 222 mm

Lengths (stock extended):
    Model 10: 548 mm
   Model 11: 460 mm

Barrel lengths:
    Model 10: 146 mm
   Model 11: 129 mm

Muzzle velocity:
    Model 10: 280 meters/second & Model 10 Parabellum: 360 meters/second
    Model 11: 293 meters/second

Rate of fire (cyclic):
    Model 10: 1145 rounds/minute &  Model 10 Parabellum: 1090 rounds/minute
    Model 11: 1200 rounds/minute

[tiger-one]

M-4/223 cal, M-14/308 cal any new stuff, no tripods and M-4 no bi-pods

[tiger-one]

and a M-4 is what?

[Fresh Wind]

It was a muslim celebrating the DemocRat victories.

[EDINVA]

"the Jamaica section of the Borough of Queens" where this took place is, how you say, Third World? Last I saw it was a haven for immigrants from the Caribbean, tho it could have turned more Middle Eastern. Maybe the guy was just celebrating the sentencing of Saddam?

[LegendHasIt]

An M-4 is properly classed as an assault rifle.

Sure, compared to a Thompson SMG it might seem kind of 'SMGy'... But since it uses 5.56 RIFLE cartridges it isn't.

I suppose we could come up with a few oddball or bastardized firearms that blur the distinction even more, but I'm tired of stupid games.

[Shooter 2.5]

Elliott Marston: Ah ha. Legendary Sharps.

Matthew Quigley: You know your weapons. It's a lever-action, breech loader. Usual barrel length's thirty inches. This one has an extra four. It's converted to use a special forty-five caliber, hundred and ten grain metal cartridge, with a five-hundred forty grain paper patch bullet. It's fitted with double set triggers, and a Vernier sight. It's marked up to twelve-hundred yards. This one shoots a mite further.

Elliott Marston: An experimental weapon with experimental ammunition.


Thanks to freedombird on the 45-70 thread.

[Atlas Sneezed]

Dumb question, but what is the difference between a machine gun and a sub-machine gun?

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There is some blurring at the margins, but a sub-machine gun generally shoots pistol calibers (Tommy gun shoots 45 ACP, UZI and MP5 shoot 9mm luger, etc.)

A machine gun generally shoots rifle calibers (those bottle-necked cartridges like 50BMG, and various 30 cal. cartridges.) Machine guns are often found on tripods, many are belt-fed.

A middle ground is the "assault rifle", which generally shoots a smaller rifle caliber, and is a lightweight rifle (M16, AUG, etc.)