Posted on 11/12/2006 6:27:25 AM PST by Valin
You mean redeploy and cower in the corner isnt a sound
policy. You mean they wont just go away if we ignore them?
There are certainly situations in which pacifism works, but this war against radical/fundamental islam isn't one of them.
Yeah, it worked so well with Hitler.
You can say that again.
Dear Sandra,
Basically you are right, however Hitler didn't round up his victims during the seven years prior to the out break of war. Yes he started the concentration lager but the extermination camps only after war had begun and the vast majority of the killing was done in the later six months of the war.
t.
"This person cited Gandhi, Martin Luther King and Jesus as examples of successful pacifists"
But they forfeited their lives in the process.
One thing we can debate is whether the Commandment says 'Thou shalt not kill' or 'Thou shalt not kill thy neighbor.'
http://www.google.com/search?hl=xx-elmer&q=%22liberal+iraq+war+plans%22
Your search - "liberal iraq war plans" - did not match any documents. Oh, dat scwewy wabbit!
ping
The gist of it was: To what extent do you have the right to permit evil or to accept evil done to others? You yourself can accept it, if it happens to you in a way that you can't avoid, but don't you also have the duty to protect others if you can? Saying "Peace" is such an easy and false solution.
You understand this, I understand this. So why doesn't the left? Are we that smart, or are they that dumb?
bookmark ping-a-ling & THANKS Valin
Mohandas Gandhi -- murdered at age 79 by a Hindu extremist; His beloved India then descended into civil war, poverty, and starvation that continues even today with the ever-present friction between India and Pakistan.
Martin Luther King -- murdered at age 39 by a racial extremist; Protested the unequal treatment of black Americans through a series of marches, speeches, and nonviolent demonstrations. His cause was taken up by a group of self-serving whores who perpetuate racial tension in order to maintain their status as "black leaders."
Jesus Christ -- murdered at age 33 by Jewish Establishment types. His followers spread his teachings throughout the known world, and codified a religion that has become the dominant moral authority in the world. Men still steal, murder, rape, and elect Democrats.
In the end, how "successful" were any of them?
While pacifism may be the route to martyrdom, it has known only marginal success as a defensive strategy. And while this flower child may be willing to lay down /hisher life to avoid spilling anyone's blood, he/she has no right to demand that others make the same sacrifice.
Gandhi's pacifism succeeded because he appealed to a moral principle. The same with Martin Luther King. Christ was the AUTHOR of much of that moral principle.
"Moral" does not describe our Muslim enemies. By their very nature, terrorists are not bound by any moral code save that they write themselves as a justification for their barbarity. You can scream platitudes into an empty cave with more effect than an appeal to the conscience of a people who have none.
I don't understand the attitude of pacifists, especially in the case of Islamic fanatics.
The fanatics are like schoolyard bullies, who will continue to bully others until somebody comes along who refuses to knuckle under and kicks the bully's butt. They'll then decide that bullying doesn't pay.
The reason we have won previous wars is that the people we were fighting didn't really want to themselves die. Radical Islamists believe that death is preferable. You can't negotiate with people who have no regard for their own lives. You just have to kill them. I hope the people soon to be in charge get this. But I'm sure they don't.
Some years ago, there was a point made that some men suffer from a "Peter Pan" syndrome (I think I might have at that time). It seems the left, as a voting bloc, still suffers from a "Peter and Wendy" syndrome.
They haven't yet attended and graduated from the School of Hard Knocks.
I'm not a pacifist, but all three were profoundly successful and, in the case of Jesus, His success is profound because of His death.
btt
How?
Did Gandhi succeed in unifying India? Did King eradicate racism? Did Christ build a world of love and brotherhood?
No. They all did their piece, and they are monuments to ideas. But human flaws will always triumph over human ideals.
We simply can't reach the heights we can see.
And Christ's "success" came not because of His death, but because of His resurrection.
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