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Bishop attacks 'Muslim hypocrisy'
BBC ^ | November 5, 2006

Posted on 11/05/2006 11:44:26 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu

 A senior Anglican bishop has accused many Muslims of being guilty of double standards in their view of the world.

The Bishop of Rochester, Michael Nazir-Ali, told the Sunday Times some had a "dual psychology" in which they sought "victimhood and domination".

The Muslim Council of Britain said the comments were "not very helpful".

The bishop, whose father converted from Islam, also said situations such as teaching could require Muslim women not to wear full-face veils.

Mr Nazir-Ali argued it would never be possible to satisfy all of the demands made by Muslims because "their complaint often boils down to the position that it is always right to intervene when Muslims are victims... and always wrong when Muslims are the oppressors or terrorists".

He compared Bosnia and Kosovo, where he said Muslims were oppressed, with the powerful position of the Taleban in Afghanistan, who he said had been the oppressors.

He added: "Given the world view that has given rise to such grievances, there can never be sufficient appeasement and new demands will continue to be made."

A Muslim Council of Britain spokesman said the remarks in the paper appeared "rather broad brushed".

He added: "We would normally expect a bishop to display more humility and work towards bringing communities closer together rather than contributing towards fostering greater divisions."

Veil debate

The bishop's comments on the use of full-face veils by Muslim women add to the debate sparked by Commons Leader Jack Straw, the former foreign secretary, last month.

He disclosed that he asks Muslim women to remove the veil when they attend his Blackburn constituency surgeries.

Mr Straw also suggested that Muslim women who wear veils over their faces can make community relations harder.

In the Sunday Times, Mr Nazir-Ali referred to a "huge increase" in the wearing of Muslim dress in Egypt, Pakistan and Malaysia.

He said: "I can see nothing in Islam that prescribes the wearing of the full-face veil.

"In the supermarket those at the cash till need to be recognised. Teaching is another profession in which society requires recognition and identification."

Dr Rowan Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury, entered the veil debate last month by saying people should be free to wear visible religious symbols.

He said aiming for a society where no symbols such as veils, crosses, sidelocks or turbans would be seen was "politically dangerous".


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: anglicans; crushislam; eu; eurabia; europe; islam; islamofascism; mcb; muslims; trop; uk; wot
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1 posted on 11/05/2006 11:44:27 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
He added: "Given the world view that has given rise to such grievances, there can never be sufficient appeasement and new demands will continue to be made."

True. Now if only the cut-and-run leftist lib dems in our country would realize this.

2 posted on 11/05/2006 11:51:18 AM PST by hsalaw
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
IIRC, this is same Bishop who chided the Prince of Wales on his decision to be "Defender of the Faiths" and telling in effect he should defend Christianity first and foremost.

In other news, I think Charlie's statement, reported on FR earlier in the week, that he believes islam could solve humanity's problems is a clear and unmistakable sign that he has converted to islam.

3 posted on 11/05/2006 11:54:22 AM PST by Dark Skies ("He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that" ... John Stuart Mill)
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To: Dark Skies

This bishop has even more credibility because his father converted from Islam (which probably angers Muslims the world over). Thus, it is more probable that he has a more intimate understanding of Islam than the ordinary Briton, and so the Muslims will have a more difficult time arguing that he doesn't know about their religion (although, as you see from the article, they try).


4 posted on 11/05/2006 11:57:24 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( The EU is opposed to Saddam Hussein's death sentence.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

bump


5 posted on 11/05/2006 11:58:27 AM PST by VOA
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
The Muslim Council of Britain said the comments were "not very helpful".

Depends on what you want to help.

6 posted on 11/05/2006 11:59:34 AM PST by bannie
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

If anyone has direct communication with Bishop Michael Nazir-Ali, please pass along my sincere thanks and appreciation for speaking truth in a time when truth is thought wrong.

I would like to know how his father came to convert from Islam to Christianity and what can be done to help other Muslims convert by their own accord and protect them from Islamic reprisals.

Chuck Plante
Fresno, California, USA


7 posted on 11/05/2006 12:08:00 PM PST by backtothestreets
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To: backtothestreets
Sorry. Looked at some links. Not very familiar with Anglicans or exact locations of English cities such as Rochester (which apparently lost city status). This is the closest e-mail found: diocesan.secretary@rochester.anglican.org .
8 posted on 11/05/2006 12:24:06 PM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( The EU is opposed to Saddam Hussein's death sentence.)
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To: sionnsar

Anglican ping.


9 posted on 11/05/2006 12:38:39 PM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( The EU is opposed to Saddam Hussein's death sentence.)
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To: Huber

Anglican ping.


10 posted on 11/05/2006 12:39:54 PM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( The EU is opposed to Saddam Hussein's death sentence.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
The email in Comment 8 does not connect, but does work if you use it as a normal email address.
11 posted on 11/05/2006 12:41:26 PM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( The EU is opposed to Saddam Hussein's death sentence.)
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To: MadIvan; Mrs Ivan

ping


12 posted on 11/05/2006 12:46:06 PM PST by Ready4Freddy ("Everyone knows there's a difference between Muslims and terrorists. No one knows what it is, tho...)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
"We would normally expect a bishop to display more humility and work towards bringing communities closer together rather than contributing towards fostering greater divisions."

This from a spokesman for the Muslim Council of Britain?

STFU you lying raghead and get out of my country.

(Not in a good mood this morning!)

13 posted on 11/05/2006 11:54:31 PM PST by Mrs Ivan (English, and damned proud of it.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

Thank you! I am writing a letter to the Bishop today.


14 posted on 11/06/2006 12:05:59 PM PST by backtothestreets
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu; SJackson; yonif; Simcha7; American in Israel; Slings and Arrows; ...
"A Muslim Council of Britain spokesman said the remarks in the paper appeared 'rather broad brushed'. ... He added: 'We would normally expect a bishop to display more humility and work towards bringing communities closer together rather than contributing towards fostering greater divisions.'"

Being interpreted: "'We would normally expect a bishop to display more humility as a Dhimmi subserviant before our superiority to the Kaffir world, as taught in the Koran."

As a leader in the Christian world, this man has great courage and integrity.







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15 posted on 11/06/2006 4:59:41 PM PST by Salem (FREE REPUBLIC - Fighting to win within the Arena of the War of Ideas! So get in the fight!)
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To: hsalaw
LOL, the democratic party should change it's name to the 'appeasement" party!
16 posted on 11/06/2006 5:13:59 PM PST by Greystoke (The future doesn’t belong to the faint-hearted; it belongs to the brave - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
"Dr Rowan Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury, entered the veil debate last month by saying people should be free to wear visible religious symbols."

I agree with this EXCEPT no veils! You get to see my face. I get to see yours. What if all Christians decided to start wearing masks with crosses on them?

17 posted on 11/06/2006 5:15:40 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Salem

The Dark Side of the Muslim Council of Britain
By Chris Blackburn
FrontPageMagazine.com | February 3, 2005

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=16852

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As the largest Muslim organization in the UK, the MCB acts as an umbrella for smaller groups. The MCB today presents itself as a credible source for human rights work; politicians consult with the group to formulate or review British government policy. To truly improve the lot of British Muslims, however, the organization must demonstrate its willingness to work with other religious and political groups. Iqbal Sacranie must be replaced with a moderate Secretary General, or the MCB will be forever tarnished as an appeaser of terrorism and genocide.


18 posted on 11/06/2006 5:17:34 PM PST by Fred Nerks ("Illegitimi non carborundum",)
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To: Salem

Daniel Pipes' Weblog
Downing Street's Favorite – The Muslim Council of Britain
July 7, 2005

http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/487


19 posted on 11/06/2006 5:27:08 PM PST by Fred Nerks ("Illegitimi non carborundum",)
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To: Fred Nerks
Yep. The British brand of CAIR.  !
20 posted on 11/06/2006 5:40:36 PM PST by Salem (FREE REPUBLIC - Fighting to win within the Arena of the War of Ideas! So get in the fight!)
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