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Neo Culpa (Perle and Adleman on Iraq)
Vanity Fair | November 3, 2006 | David Rose

Posted on 11/03/2006 4:30:04 PM PST by HAL9000

It's blocked, but here is the URL -

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2006/12/neocons200612


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: adelman; adleman; iraq; neocon; neocons; neoconservative; perle
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1 posted on 11/03/2006 4:30:05 PM PST by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000
Yes, I read that. At first I thought "rats deserting a sinking ship." But the ship is not sunk and is not sinking except as defined by the MSM.

Each of those mentioned scarcely seem able to function except as magnificent individuals; not a team player in the bunch.

President is good at judging people, but these prove the exception to the rule. Everything they say is unnecessarily gloomy and distracting. Buchanan could give them lessons in treachery.
2 posted on 11/03/2006 4:45:36 PM PST by shrinkermd
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To: HAL9000

Pearle and co. are nothing but self-serving traitors!

People get fooled by the "conservative" part of "neoconservative", not realizing that they are nothing but commies and ex-commies who twist whichever way the wind blows. They have always looked down on the president, only using him to further their atheist agenda, and then abandoning him when it's convenient to do so.


3 posted on 11/03/2006 4:50:09 PM PST by TheTruthAintPretty (G-d Bless our brothers and sisters, sons and daughters, fathers and mothers in harm's way!)
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To: HAL9000

just a typical pre-election hit piece from Greydon & the Seymour Hersh crowd.


4 posted on 11/03/2006 4:52:17 PM PST by meg88
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To: TheTruthAintPretty

Regans 11th Commandment comes to mind when reading this take out piece.


5 posted on 11/03/2006 4:54:40 PM PST by meg88
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To: meg88

Vanity Fair and The New Yorker are where I get all my foreign policy analysis, before I check out Brad and Angelina and see where I should buy my $18,000 watch.


6 posted on 11/03/2006 5:03:21 PM PST by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: HAL9000
"The levels of brutality that we've seen are truly horrifying, and I have to say, I underestimated the depravity," Perle says now...

It's truly stunning to hear Richard Perle, one of the chief motivators of the Iraq war, make such an admission. How does a thoughtful person underestimate the depravity of the sort of men who enjoy slowly lowering living prisoners, feet first, into plastic shredders?

What a disappointment Perle has shown himself to be. He can wash his hands in public but it won't remove the stains.

7 posted on 11/03/2006 5:28:31 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: HAL9000
Devastating to the administration. Absolutely devastating.

Pearle, Adelman, Frum, Ledeen, Gaffney, who, if not direct architects of the war, were at least among its most vocal and public proponents in 2003, are now sticking a shiv in George W. Bush, the same man they praised for his resoluteness back then.

From the beginning, as an investigation of my posts would show if anybody took the time or interest to look, I've criticized the wisdom of the attack on Iraq. Once we were in, however, I wanted us to win. Now we see the rats above deserting the ship, a sure sign that failure and defeat is near certain.

George W. Bush, as I said here to an eminent FR poster who took the opposite view, will not be appreciated by future generations for his boldness. He'll be scorned for his recklessness. Iraq is a disaster, a mistake that never needed to happen.

8 posted on 11/03/2006 7:00:57 PM PST by beckett (Amor Fati)
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To: beckett

What did Ledeen and Gaffner do, except call for a stronger position on Iran and Syria?


9 posted on 11/03/2006 7:12:04 PM PST by rmlew (DeathKlok Rules!)
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To: snarks_when_bored
Perle is an @sshole, and this administration damanged its credibility beyond repair when it allowed this @sshole to play any role whatsoever in establishing its military and foreign policy.

This guy shouldn't have been allowed within 500 miles of Washington, DC -- let alone find his way to a position with top-security clearance in the Pentagon.

10 posted on 11/03/2006 7:18:32 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: meg88

What does Reagan's "11th Commandment" have to do with anything?


11 posted on 11/03/2006 7:20:31 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: HAL9000

They've been reading too many buchanan articles.


12 posted on 11/03/2006 7:22:44 PM PST by CWOJackson
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To: rmlew
Since my point was that the named individuals were "sticking in a shiv" in Bush, Ledeen qualifies by accusing him of a soft, estrogenized war strategy designed by women who "love him," as opposed to, one presumes, virile take-no-prisoner types like Michael Ledeen. Testosterone-packed Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld somehow don't seem to be part of the Bush team, under the Ledeen scenario.

And Gaffney qualifies for wielding a Bush-shiv by accusing him of incoherence, and, again, for being a softy who can be taken on "with impunity."

13 posted on 11/03/2006 7:26:20 PM PST by beckett (Amor Fati)
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To: beckett
So, anyone who dioens't back Bush all the times, completey, has shived him?
What a peculiar standard.
14 posted on 11/03/2006 7:28:24 PM PST by rmlew (DeathKlok Rules!)
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To: All

Pretty much anything that comes out in the weeks before the election can be seen as a transparent effort to elect the party of surrender and betrayal. If the concerns were genuine they would not be coming out right before the election. These cowards should be treated from this point forward as Democratic Party lackeys.


15 posted on 11/03/2006 7:37:02 PM PST by Jonah Johansen ("Coming soon to a neighborhood near you")
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To: Wally_Kalbacken

You too! I thought I was the only one.


16 posted on 11/03/2006 9:22:09 PM PST by Valin (http://www.irey.com/)
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To: HAL9000

Pile of crap. The war is not lost, but it may be. Perle is right in one major respect - the terrorists are able to kill anyone over there at will who appears to be helping us. Ralph Peters and Jack Kelly just had good columns last week about the only way to save the situation is to do what we should have been doing from day one - impose martial law and started killing people, starting wth that fat f--k Sadr. Absolutely ridiculous that this prick is still breathing. If we're not prepared to do that, then we're screwed, and we're right back to 1974, folks.


17 posted on 11/03/2006 9:49:22 PM PST by GreatOne (You will bow down before me, son of Jor-el!)
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To: HAL9000

The whole premise for Iraq had to be stop risk of nuclear/bio terror in hands of terrorists, and the ability to build democracy in post-defeat Iraq.

The former premise was valid. Iraq had boasted about and used WMD.

The latter premise depends on making chicken salad out of chicken sh!t (also known as arabs and islam).

The latter is proving to have been a false premise. Arabs and islam are genetically not amenable to civil democracy.

Bush made his decision based on hope for chicken salad. He often expounds his belief in the power of democracy, and a belief it is possible for all people.

He should not be faulted for this hopeful optimism.


18 posted on 11/03/2006 11:32:11 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: beckett

Your statement is false in almost every respect. This war was not the work of Perle or anyone else it was the work of the President. And it had to be fought. It is also the reason there have been no further attacks at home.

What does the discovery of the depravity of the enemy have to do with the necessity for the war?

Even the NY Times is, after lying for years, NOW admitting Saddam was about to reconstitute his nuclear program and there are loads of information about the extensive and long lasting connections to al Queda. Connections the Treason Media had raging clues about all this in the 90s but have now conveniently forgotten. Just as it and YOU have forgotten the Iraqi nuclear research program being run by Libya. This program, funded and staffed by Iraqis, we know for a FACT existed because Omar gave it up.

But I guess you don't care that Saddam could become even more dangerous than he was.


19 posted on 11/03/2006 11:42:05 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: Alberta's Child

This is an example of the same cluelessness which believes Rove behind everything. This policy did not result from Perle or any of these people. Gossip mongering is not the same thing as information.


20 posted on 11/03/2006 11:43:33 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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