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They paved over the dead at Ground Zero...
Take Back the Memorial.org ^ | October 28, 2006 | Tim Sumner

Posted on 10/29/2006 4:35:46 AM PST by Sergeant Tim

...and a few decided to just leave them there.

No matter what you have heard to the contrary, more than five years after 9/11, the Deutsche Bank building has not been fully searched. New York City's official spokespeople are playing word games and many in the media are their echo chambers. When the South Tower fell, massive amounts of debris fell on and into that building, leaving huge beams precariously hanging out over Cedar Street and a twenty floor gouge in the building's north face. When the first big crane approached nearby West and Liberty, the ground shook beneath it. They smartly backed off and engineers soon determined that the bathtub's walls adjacent West and Liberty Streets were unstable. If they had collapsed, the Hudson River might have flooded the Pit and much of Manhattan's rail lines, power grid, and water and sewer systems.

Ground Zero viewed 9 12 2001 from West and Liberty Streets

That did not stop the FDNY. They climbed inside the Deutsche Bank, crawled where they could, and conducted what all that I have spoken with described as a hands-on, visual inspection. While they were accustomed to moving within dangerous places, environmental tests showed extreme levels of toxins. On September 17, 2001, one day after the photo below was taken, they were ordered out. They cursed aloud, swore oaths to return, and repositioned.

the north facade of the Deutsche Bank building September 16 2001

When it was safer, heavy cranes pulled the steel from the building's facade and removed what they could reach from the outside. The building was draped with a heavy, transparent shroud to contain the materials inside and someone hung the sign in the photograph below. It was still there one year after 9/11.

We will never forget them. We will never forget you

The sign is gone now but not the sentiment. We will never forget the grunts of Ground Zero, those magnificent men and women who endured so much, knocked down that Pile, left no stone in the Pit unturned, and brought so many out to us. Their loyalty and love cost many of them their physical health; it cost none of them their honor.

Mayor Bloomberg has been conned. He has been persuaded to place in charge of the renewed search the same agencies that paved over the dead and callously left them there for five years.

Yet the grunts of Ground Zero have not forgotten the fallen or what they saw down there. If you were there and, like a growing list of witnesses, can provide information that will help bring the fallen from that place, please email me, Tim Sumner, at admin@911familiesforamerica.org

I also know the meaning of the word 'honor' and whether we talk on or off the record will be entirely up to you.

Author's note: Please pass the word about this article, bookmark Take Back the Memorial.org and check in there often yourself for updates. -- Tim Sumner, a.k.a. Sergeant Tim


TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 911; bloomberg; groundzero; humanremains; victimculture
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To: Mark was here

Didn't the holdouts hold out because they really DID want to sue the airlines, though? This is what I recall, what do you remember?


61 posted on 10/29/2006 7:34:34 AM PST by Kitten Festival
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To: gregwest
That's why it should be left as a permanent memorial garden instead of building commercial buildings on it again. Imagine someone coming in and building a skyscraper at Arlington.

I disagree. Arlington Cemetary BEGAN as Robert E. Lee's family's private home, but was expropriated for use as a cemetery for UNION soldiers. If someone built a commercial building there now, 150 years after the Civil War, that would be a travesty.

The WTC, on the other hand, had been the center of the bustling business core of NYC for over 25 years. NOT building it back, or something that would take its place in the business world would be the travesty. Make the first floor a memorial, but build that complex back and make it even more proftable than before. THAT would be the way to honor the dead and poke a stick in the eye of the terrorists.

62 posted on 10/29/2006 7:39:49 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: Chuck54

I don't want to sound cruel, but dead is dead. You cannot risk the safety and health of the living to give someone some small shred of their beloved ones body.


63 posted on 10/29/2006 7:40:45 AM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: ExTexasRedhead

There are no safety issues involved here.


64 posted on 10/29/2006 7:41:48 AM PST by Sergeant Tim (In the War on Terror, there is no place to run from here.)
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To: Kitten Festival
Didn't the holdouts hold out because they really DID want to sue the airlines, though? This is what I recall, what do you remember?

Law suits against the airline were made illegal by the law that paid the blackmail. Some could be banking on the law being overturned, but I don't know the motives of everyone who showed some backbone and did not take the money in exchange for not bankrupting the airlines, (when the Muslims were responsible for the events of 9/11).

65 posted on 10/29/2006 7:43:10 AM PST by Mark was here (How can they be called "Homeless" if their home is a field?.)
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To: Textphile
Whole bones, skulls, and flesh was found -- more than 200 remains in the just one manhole that has been searched of 12 to 20 (depending who is reporting) to be searched. The area was covered with unsearching fill from the Pit. More will soon follow about how this happend on www.takebackthememorial.org.
66 posted on 10/29/2006 7:47:13 AM PST by Sergeant Tim (In the War on Terror, there is no place to run from here.)
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To: Textphile

And yes, it was deliberate.


67 posted on 10/29/2006 7:48:15 AM PST by Sergeant Tim (In the War on Terror, there is no place to run from here.)
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To: Textphile

And I am not saying the workers deliberately did that. It was a senior management decision.


68 posted on 10/29/2006 7:51:05 AM PST by Sergeant Tim (In the War on Terror, there is no place to run from here.)
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To: Sergeant Tim
...bathtub's walls adjacent West and Liberty Streets were unstable. If they had collapsed, the Hudson River might have flooded the Pit and much of Manhattan's rail lines, power grid, and water and sewer systems.

What?

I doubt it.

69 posted on 10/29/2006 7:52:56 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: Sergeant Tim
What was callously and deliberately left as Ground Zero is far from "unretrievable." Please read this to verify that statement.

Your link doesn't support your claim that the remains found were "callously and deliberately left...".

70 posted on 10/29/2006 8:01:36 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: gregwest

It's hardly a National cemetary- And I personally knew one of the deceased. Building the towers as Trump suggested would be the greatest memorial to those people.


71 posted on 10/29/2006 8:04:14 AM PST by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus,Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: Sergeant Tim

http://www.triroc.com/wtc/pix/posterfootprints.htm

Best memorial period.


72 posted on 10/29/2006 8:10:37 AM PST by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus,Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: ffusco; All

http://www.triroc.com/wtc/pix/posterfootprints.htm

Compare Trump's design. Hand's down winner.


73 posted on 10/29/2006 8:17:00 AM PST by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus,Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: Sergeant Tim

Thanks for the ping!!!!!!! It's a tragic shame indeed.
WE WILL NEVER FORGET!!!!!


74 posted on 10/29/2006 8:31:34 AM PST by cleveland gop (Browns 1-5 on their way to 3-13. NICE football team!!!Sorry Condi's such a fan of this crap!!!)
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To: Sergeant Tim
St Louis used to be called Mound City before the Europeans settled. Mexico City used to be a lake with canals. Every city in the old world was built on the remains of older cities until they become heaps called tels in the ME. Hell, people live in graveyards in Manila and the living have kicked out the dead in parts of Cairo and Alexandria.

In other words, life goes onward. We lost loved ones and neighbors in 9-11 but retrieval is physically and monetarily impossible.
75 posted on 10/29/2006 8:34:37 AM PST by sully777 (You have flies in your eyes--Catch-22)
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To: ffusco

Very nice, very appropriate, very dignified.


76 posted on 10/29/2006 8:42:06 AM PST by Kitten Festival
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To: Gay State Conservative
I agree completely. It is very sad.

There is a great moment in Julius Caesar when the character come upon a dead body and one says "Is that not he?" and the response is "No, this was he.." The people who loved and were loved are gone.

77 posted on 10/29/2006 8:42:37 AM PST by Scarchin (+)
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To: Sergeant Tim

That sounds amorphous. Name some names.


78 posted on 10/29/2006 8:42:45 AM PST by Kitten Festival
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To: Mark was here; All
The 9/11 attacks were the biggest boon the American airline industry ever recieved. Many airlines were on their way to backruptcy and out of business when the attacks occur. The airlines didn't have any problem reaping the windfall of government loans and grants to support their businesses, did they?

The airlines WERE responsible for the safety of passengers who paid to travel on that mode of transportation. If the airplane dropped an engine or a wing fell off, the airlines would be responsible. The airlines were negligent in providing a reasonable level of protection. This wasn't the first time an airline had been hijacked, the risk existed. The airlines couldn't find room in the budget for air marshalls. Now the American taxpayer is paying for that. Why should I subsidize safety for something I don't use?

You corporatists are worse then communists.

79 posted on 10/29/2006 8:51:43 AM PST by olde north church (Global Warming Denier)
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To: Kitten Festival

Agreed!


80 posted on 10/29/2006 8:58:19 AM PST by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus,Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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