They paved over the dead at Ground Zero...

Take Back the Memorial.org ^ | October 28, 2006 | Tim Sumner

[beckysueb]

the towers should be re-built.....exactly the same except stronger & taller...there should be a memorials to all the poor innocents murdered and the brave that gave their lives to save others.....

Absolutely!!

[olde north church]

Cars get hijacked occasionally, it is a known threat, and can happen anywhere, even to a safety conscious person. Of course you would hold the car owner responsible, and never the car jacker.

Nice try, but no. The carjacker is an outside invader. The muslim terrorists were also passengers on the plane, who passed through was considered to be security. The correct comparison in your scenario would be if one member of the carpool blew up the car.

Try again.

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

You said you were gay.

I did? In post # 104? You sure you have the right person/post?

[Dianna]

I did? In post # 104? You sure you have the right person/post?

Umm, I see it in post #104... Can't you? Or are you joking?

[Dianna]

When I die. Walk over my bones and keep living. Period.

I agree. At some point you just have to move on.

[beckysueb]

There are still sailor's bodies trapped in the USS Arizona in Pearl Harbor. Should we salvage it so that we can retrieve the bodies or is it best left there as a monument to those who gave their lives so that we can be free?

over 1700 people perished in the Titanic. Bob Ballard, the oceanographer who found her, didn't want her disturbed. He said Titanic is a graveyard. He didn't think the remains should be recovered. He left a memorial plaque on the deck.

[sam_paine]

They paved over the dead at Ground Zero...

Great! I'm all for it! When will the new towers be complete?

Good Lord folks! Do you think they found every fragment left from the Civil War Wilderness campaign? You think there's not a bunch of civilian bones scattered throughout Europe's other wars? Aircrashes?

You can't recover 100%. You can't get 99.99%. You probably can't get 95%.

America....mourn the dead...and then...get on with life. Build. Them. Back.

[Richard Kimball]

Sam, you tried to snag an image from a web site, and it replaced the image you tried to snag with a graphic that said, "I'm gay." I'd request that the mods remove the post.

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

Umm, I see it in post #104... Can't you? Or are you joking?

I sincerely don't know what he/you are talking about. I posted a picture of the "Poltergeist" movie poster where the little girl is facing the TV saying, "They're here". Is that NOT what showed up? It shows up on my PC.

The URL to the pic is:

http://www.geekculture.dk/bedler/movies/highres/Poltergeist-DVD.jpg

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

I'd request that the mods remove the post.

Done. Thanks.

[supercat]

Shades of "Poltergeist"?

Moving gravestones without moving bodies used to be commonplace. Indeed, attempting to move bodies buried in untreated (and thoroughly-decayed) wood coffins would have been considered worse than leaving them where they were and just moving the headstones.

[sam_paine]

Terribly vicious way for a server to combat cross-linked bandwidth 'theft.' But effective! LOL!

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

But effective! LOL!

Indeed. I cleared all cache and tried to view the image clean but all I see is movie pic. Very nasty.

[Hildy]

I was thinking the same thing! Although I what I think about this is enough is enough.

Steven: “You bastard, you moved the cemetery...
...but you left the bodies, didn't you?
You son-of-a-bitch, you left the bodies and you only moved the headstones!
You only moved the headstones!

[PISANO]

We didn't bring home or account for every KIA from World War II. Hiroshima & Nagasaki did not account for every missing person after THE BOMB was dropped on their cities.

It is beyond silly to expect all the remains, obliterated by the attack on our nation on 911, to be found!!

[wtc911]

I was one of the 'grunts' on the pile and in the pit on the 12th and 13th. Things were not too well organized yet and I can't provide any info that would help but I can assure you that, at least for the time I spent in the pit picking through the rubble, every one of the buckets was filled by hand and each handful was sifted before it was put into the bucket. Any item that could be identified as belonging to a victim (jewelry, pictures, a scrap of raincoat with a name tag, a tempory building pass with picture, etc) was seperated into a seperate bucket. Any item that contained DNA was further seperated and put into plastic bags.

Good luck.

[supercat]

The airlines couldn't find room in the budget for air marshalls.

Was it the airlines or the government that decided pilots should be disarmed?

[FreedomCalls]

That is why I do not live in Europe.

And had I labeled those pictures: "You should see what some Christian churches do with their dead," would you have said "That is why I'm not a Christian"?

[Richard Kimball]

I've never been in on a recovery of this type, but I have had to dive in a private lake where a private plane crashed with seven people on board. We had over a hundred body part recoveries from these seven people. It was absolutely impossible to tell what many of the parts were, or where one person ended and another began. We dove for five days, and then called it. My suspicion is that the family (all except the pilot were from the same family), were cremated, or they put them in caskets, simply putting so many pounds in each casket, and arbitrarily declaring which casket held which person. Separating the bodies would have been like taking five hundred pounds of hamburger and trying to determine which part belonged to which cow.

Did we do our best? Yeah. Try diving in zero visibility for dead body parts sometime. Were there body parts left in the lake after we were done? I'd bet on it.

We treated them with dignity, and did our best to comfort the remaining family members, while shielding them as best we could from the sight of chunks of raw meat that had been floating in water for several days.

Two of my friends did recovery at the WTC as part of Texas Task Force 1. Both have had serious medical problems since then, one definitely related to their work there.

I have a philosophy about body recovery. I'll do it if I can do so without risking the life or safety of my other people. It sounds callous, but they won't get any deader, and at some point in time, we have to recognize that these shells are not the people, they are simply the houses they lived in. They will return to the earth, as will all of us if the Lord tarries.

[ladyinred]

Wow, as if the remains of Americans killed by terrorists don't matter? Is this what we have become 5 years later? I can tell you, if it were a loved one of mine they would matter, every bone, every piece of anything.