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A Return to Triangulation (libertarion vs social right)
National Review Online ^ | 10/25/06 | David Boaz & David Kirby

Posted on 10/25/2006 11:10:46 AM PDT by Blackirish

As the Republican base fragments and Christian conservatives consider a “fast” from politics, the polling data point to a mid-term Republican thumping. Less than two weeks from now, Republicans will begin their post-mortem soul searching. And as the corpses of their House and Senate majorities grow cold, so should Karl Rove’s 2006 campaign strategy.

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To: satchmodog9
Who said we were teaming up with the ACLU? Most of us despise those rat bastards.

So?

Us 'fundies' get abused by other FR friends when we get linked to Muslim's because THEY believe in C!

Go figger...

1,161 posted on 10/28/2006 4:24:01 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Gradient Vector
Anyone care to explain why we should accept a slow path to disaster instead of a fast one?

Buying time.

It's a military strategy; trade territory for time to build an effective counteroffensive.

Doubt not there are some real conservatives out there waiting to make their move in 2008. A "D" victory in 2006-- or the perception of such-- will render this effort, at best, much more difficult.

And that's all I'm gonna say about that.

1,162 posted on 10/28/2006 4:28:12 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (Day 163 (counting up))
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To: Elsie

No it doesn't. It takes ONE to threaten to kick your ass up one side, across the ceiling, and down the other wall.

If the person that said that has the means, motive, and publicly stated that, just turn around and don't pay them any attention.

First off, it makes them go away.

Seondly, it allows a dramatic effect when one turns back and asks them point blank WTF they want.

Thirdly, it allows one to make sure their gun is loaded prior to dealing with the bastard(s).


1,163 posted on 10/28/2006 4:35:12 AM PDT by raygun (Whenever I see U.N. blue helmets I feel like laughing and puking at the same time.)
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To: raygun

Remember the TarBaby!


1,164 posted on 10/28/2006 5:06:43 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Jaguarbhzrd; metmom
Evolution is just as much a religion as liberalism. Just worship of different gods. (little g)
1,165 posted on 10/28/2006 6:31:46 AM PDT by WKB (I Refuse To Have A Battle Of Wits With An Unarmed Person.)
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To: RadioAstronomer; metmom; Jim Robinson; Sam's Army; onyx
They think all there is to living is hat can be found in the few short years we have here on earth



Everything you listed happened or is happening
or will happen is THIS life did it not?
I am talking about the next life.
What happens then RA?
What happens when you take your last breath?
And please show me where I called you a Marxist and/or communist.
1,166 posted on 10/28/2006 6:33:43 AM PDT by WKB (I Refuse To Have A Battle Of Wits With An Unarmed Person.)
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To: WKB
I am talking about the next life. What happens then RA?

You believe in reincarnation?

What happens when you take your last breath?

So far, unless your breathing is machine-assisted, 100% of mammals have died after taking their last breath. I know of no study or example showing otherwise, except for the Messiah and, well, he was special. This is basic stuff.

And please show me where I called you a Marxist and/or communist.

Since I'm jumping into this discussion rudely, I can't answer that - but historically on this thread, JimRob has called scientists Godless Marxists on numerous occasions so maybe that was RA's point.

Is this thread resurrected just so more people can get banned as a result of fighting for what's right?
1,167 posted on 10/28/2006 7:21:46 AM PDT by whattajoke
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To: whattajoke


You believe in reincarnation?


No I belive in Jesus though.


1,168 posted on 10/28/2006 7:23:35 AM PDT by WKB (I Refuse To Have A Battle Of Wits With An Unarmed Person.)
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To: Jim Robinson
When used as POLITICAL tools, evolution, homosexualism, global warming, abortionism, stem cell research, etc, are not science.

JimRob, you can make the same kind of back and forth arguments about guns. Firearms are the cornerstone of our liberty. But some people misuse them for crime. Because of that, does it mean that guns should be banned?

Science is like any other human endeavor. It can be used for good or bad. Some people mis-use evolution to justify genocidal actions. Some people have used religion in the past for the same. Does it mean that both are bad? No, it simply means that you have to look at the heart of each person to gauge their intent. Like anything else in life.

Me, I fight bad climate science all the time in places other than FR (and no, I don't anti-freep - I go to a few liberal boards and torment the enemy in his den). I actually don't agree with the basic mechanisms of Darwinian evolution, but the basic concept is correct.

If someone wishes to believe in creation theory as their faith, I'm fine with that. But when they turn around and absolutely mangle science to fabricate a scientific foundation for their beliefs, then I will call such fabrications when I see them.

Because at the end of the day, such folks are the same as the global warming alarmists. They start with a conclusion and force the facts to fit their theories. Which is the opposite of the scientific method. So both such parties are a problem - and both tend to be vicious towards the heretics who dare to confront them with inconvenient facts.

1,169 posted on 10/28/2006 7:42:15 AM PDT by dirtboy (700 miles of fence - it's a start)
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To: dirtboy

The state is a necessary evil, most useful and beneficial when it protects citizens from the predations of libertarians, communists, and other anarchists.


1,170 posted on 10/28/2006 7:44:20 AM PDT by JCEccles
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To: metmom
A sense of humor is not an evolutionists strong point.

Puh-leeze. I've had plenty of humorous exchanges with the other side in evolution debates.

And some were even meant to be funny :^)

1,171 posted on 10/28/2006 7:44:54 AM PDT by dirtboy (700 miles of fence - it's a start)
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To: whattajoke
What happens when you take your last breath?

So far, unless your breathing is machine-assisted, 100% of mammals have died after taking their last breath. I know of no study or example showing otherwise,I know of no study or example showing otherwise, except for the Messiah and, well, he was special. This is basic stuff.

.

.

Oh and thank you for proving my point that there is life after death

John 14:19b Because I live, you also will live.

1,172 posted on 10/28/2006 7:49:03 AM PDT by WKB (I Refuse To Have A Battle Of Wits With An Unarmed Person.)
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To: JCEccles
The state is a necessary evil, most useful and beneficial when it protects citizens from the predations of libertarians, communists, and other anarchists.

I would not lump in libertarians and communists. The two are polar opposites. And libertarians did not lead to the death of tens of millions of people last century. Pinkos did. A libertarian would never sanction the gulag.

The state is like any other human tool. When the state is used to first create rules for human contracts and then enforce them fairly, you get the most free society. When the state is used to force people towards equality, you end up with more repression. That is the irony of the nanny state.

Hong Kong had a pretty libertarian approach to government and it prospered as a result. The flip side is, the people of that state were of a disciplined and productive mindset. So libertarianism, IMO, is only truly effective in a population that is not prone to the libertine. It, like many other belief systems, has its points. But it cannot function effectively by itself (like many belief systems) - it needs to be coupled to something else (like Confucian discipline in the example of Hong Kong) to work in the real world.

The most dangerous people, after all, are those who refuse to let reality interact with their belief systems, such as Marxist liberals and Islamists.

1,173 posted on 10/28/2006 7:51:10 AM PDT by dirtboy (700 miles of fence - it's a start)
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To: WKB

This is what I am talking about.

Evolution is a scientific theory, never has been a religion, has never been used as a religion.

For some reason, creationists feel that evolution has to be a religion, in order for them to fight it.

Evolution is a scientific theory, nothing more, and you may claim that it is a religion all you like, but it will not make it the truth.


1,174 posted on 10/28/2006 9:11:56 AM PDT by Jaguarbhzrd
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To: Jaguarbhzrd
Evolution is a scientific theory, that is treated
by it's followers with as much fervor and preeminence
as any religion in the world. Which by default makes it a religion.
1,175 posted on 10/28/2006 9:58:06 AM PDT by WKB (I Refuse To Have A Battle Of Wits With An Unarmed Person.)
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To: grey_whiskers

It might take a while to get used to Whitehead's phrasing, but with serious attempts to make meaning of his vocabulary and concepts it gets much easier since he is very consistent. Unfortunately, as his sentences become clearer, casual conversation with non-initiates becomes tedious.


1,176 posted on 10/28/2006 10:03:36 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: nopardons; Blackirish; onyx; ArGee; All
nopardons: Thanks for the Ping J

WOW! Last evening this Thread was pulled.........

Fight!
Click the Pic J

And Now.......

It's Baaaack!


1,177 posted on 10/28/2006 10:07:34 AM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: WKB

Fervor?

Trying to help you understand what science is, and what it is not, is fervor?

Trying to help you understand that science is not dangerous or has nothing to do with your religion is fervor?

To try and explain what it is and what it is not, because some of you really haven't a clue, is fervor?

Well, if fervor is what you believe, that's fine, but it is not a religious fervor, because if evolution were replaced with another theory tomorrow, it would not effect our lives in any way. Is that religious fervor? I don't think so.


1,178 posted on 10/28/2006 10:10:15 AM PDT by Jaguarbhzrd
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To: Jaguarbhzrd

see tag line and have a nice day


1,179 posted on 10/28/2006 10:13:33 AM PDT by WKB (I Refuse To Have A Battle Of Wits With An Unarmed Person.)
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To: WKB
I am talking about the next life. What happens

Begging the question.

1,180 posted on 10/28/2006 10:13:51 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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