Posted on 10/25/2006 7:54:41 AM PDT by BILL_C
It’s fall, the temperature is falling, the leaves are turning and with November here, we have some repeats to watch on the cable networks.
The History Channel will show one of their favorites, ABC’s documentary “Beyond Conspiracy” featuring Peter Jennings and a computer animation which shows a bullet that hit President Kennedy’s back four inches below his collar but then the bullet allegedly exited his neck after nicking the upper part of the knot of his tie, and then it goes down at approximately a 25 degree down angle to hit Governor Connally in his back. It’s amazing what computers can show.
We’ll also most likely see the Discovery Channel’s explanation of the assassination in “Beyond the Magic Bullet.” This show also features Dale Meyers’ computer animation, the same one used in “Beyond Conspiracy.” The show goes beyond the previous documentary as the producers go to Australia to get an expert shooter to attempt to duplicate the magic bullet, the shot that hit both JFK and Governor Connally. The shots they fire are aimed at figures composed of material which act like human muscle and bone when a bullet is fired into them.
Both of these shows think they proved the magic bullet theory is true.
Watch the digitized and stablilized Zapruder Film
The Closeup Zapruder Film with Frame #
For over 40 years we’ve heard and seen documentaries which talk about strange details in the JFK assassination investigation and reports. We first had the Warren Commission appointed by President Johnson with the main purpose to show that a lone gunman fired three shots at the limousine and wounded JFK, Governor Connally and a bystander too. We then had the House Subcommittee on Assassinations investigation in 1978 which investigated additional evidence in part because the Zapruder film was first shown to the American public on night TV in 1975. One of the newer pieces of evidence was the finding that the Dallas Police radio channel recorded a stuck open microphone during the time of the assassination and may have actually recorded the actual gunshots.
In 1991 the movie “JFK” again ignited the public’s curiosity about the assassination with “back and to the right” along with witnesses saying they saw another gunman. The government again responded and gave us the Records Review Act which released even more information about the murder. In 1997, the Zapruder film was digitized and now we can see even more details in the film. And in 2001, a statistical analysis was published concerning the Dallas Police recording with the finding there were five shots captured by the recording. A gunshot and it’s reflections off objects is like a fingerprint in that it’s fairly unique and dependent on where the shooter is and where the microphone is that captured the sounds, and the objects such as buildings that the sounds reflect off of.
Although we’ve heard about “discrepancies” for years in documentaries such as the “Men Who Killed Kennedy,” we’ve also had some documentaries disappear from the airways as the History Channel found them not to be accurate such as the “Guilty Men”, a documentary that fingered Vice-President Johnson and other cronies in a Texas murder ring.
The story in my opinion will not die as so many of the “facts” don’t seem to fit reality. We need to see something that makes sense.
Last year I met with one of the best known critics of the Warren Commission. I showed Dr. Cyril Wecht that one assumption made in the killing had led virtually everyone to make incorrect conclusions in the case. That assumption is that all of Governor Connally’s wounds were caused by one bullet when in fact Governor Connally was wounded by two separate shots which were both fired from the Texas School Book Depository. Dr. Wecht’s questions and observations led me to do more research which I’m still working on.
But what I want to show you today is when Governor Connally was wounded, something that has never been shown correctly on any of the documentaries or in any of the books that I’ve reviewed. You see, experts such as Dr. Wecht have been arguing about what did not happen. Instead, let’s show you what actually did happen.
To do that, I think the best place to start is with the last shot.
To briefly familiarize you with the Zapruder Film frame numbers, Z frame number 313 will be called Z313. The following are a few major frame numbers for familiarization.
Z=133 We first see the Limo in the film
Z=160 Some theorize the first shot from the Texas School Book Depository, we see Gov. Connally’s head movement to the right shortly afterwards
Z=220 We first see President Kennedy emerge from behind the sign, clutching his throat and obviously wounded
Z=223 Governor Connally reacts to his first wound
Z=220 to Z=324 Governor Connally turns to look over his shoulder toward what he thinks are gunshots
Z=313 We see the fatal shot to President Kennedy
Z=325 Governor Connally is hit in the back and driven forward
With the film speed of 18.3 frames/second, things happened quickly, too quick for 1960’s technology and the lack of accurate information they had to extract the truth. What we can see now in individual frames captured and edited was not possible even a few years ago when everything was analogue. And of course, nobody looked at Governor Connally closely after JFK's head shot at Z=313. Most everyone was sure all the serious action was over.
To those of you who remember the basic scenarios of the Warren Commission and the other numerous theories, the descriptions shown above concerning Connally’s wounds are new. And as I’ll show you, it isn’t a theory, it’s the only times Governor Connally could have been wounded in the eight seconds from the first shot until the last was fired.
With literally thousands of books and hour after hour of documentaries on what must surely be the most investigated murder in history, at this time let’s concentrate on Governor Connally’s wounds. Once you understand the only way possible that Governor Connally could have been wounded based on the facts we have, then not only can we understand how both men were wounded, it will once and for all reveal how the Guilty Men pulled this off.
The first question concerns the last shot shown above at Z=325. The Warren Commission concluded the last shot was the fatal head shot at Z=313 but was faced with testimony such as one of the best witnesses, Secret Service agent Roy Kellerman who sat in the Limo directly in front of Governor Connally. During his Warren Commission testimony, Kellerman spoke of the ending of the shooting as a “flurry” of shots. When pressed for how many, he said two. He described the spacing of the last two shots as bang-bang. When Arlen Specter pressed him again, he said it was like an airplane breaking the sound barrier (the front of the plane breaks the sound barrier before the rear of the plane, hence you hear bang-bang also).
When Arlen Specter asked the spacing between the first shot and the flurry of shots, Kellerman said three to five seconds.
When we look at the Zapruder film, we see at Z=325 the collapse forward and downward movement of Connally’s head. Looking at the sequence in real time, we see Connally driven quickly forward with his head snapping forward when he is shot. Further confirmation is given when you look at the analysis of the Dallas Police Recording. The difference between the Z=313 shot and the last shot is 0.7 seconds or approximately 12 frames.
We now have a credible witness, a recording, and the best motion picture of the assassination showing agreement that a shot was fired at Z=325.
But listen to a recent explanation of the Zapruder film factoring in the Dallas Police Recording. The reasons for Dr. Thomas' confusion and his trying to cling to the Warren Commission's are easily explained, but I'll leave that for later. Listen to the description of the last shot, "fired almost simultaneously" but they didn't even look to see what it might have done.
The Zapruder Film and the Dallas Police Recording per the Main Stream Media
A Warren Commission supporter will tell you that Governor Connally could not have been shot after Kennedy was shot because his leg wound does not line up with the shot trajectory through his body and through his right wrist. And, of course, there were only three bullets fired from the TSBD.
The hole in their argument is that Connally was indeed wounded earlier by a bullet fragment which entered Governor Connally’s leg. And note the importance of the fact to this investigation that it was a bullet fragment, not an intact bullet. That Connally was hit by a bullet fragment to his left leg is well documented but many of today’s documentaries incorrectly describe that the left leg wound was caused by an intact bullet which then fell out of his leg later at the hospital.
Three bullet fragments were found under Nellie Connally’s seat (CE840), who sat directly to the left of Governor Connally. It’s therefore credible that the bullet fragment that John Connally’s left leg is from the CE840 shot.
To test this “theory” against the Warren Commission’s, I took some of the better known observations in the JFK assassination list and compared the Z=325 scenario against the Warren Commission scenario. This is a quick way to see how facts fit against both theories.
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Observation
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Warren Commission Three Shots |
Z=325 Shot to Connally’s back |
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Connally turns in his seat and looks back at JFK Z=230 to Z=324 |
No (1) |
Yes |
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Connally holds hat in his hand until at least Z=325 |
No |
Yes |
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Nellie and John Connally both said John Was shot after JFK’s first wound (3) |
No |
Yes |
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Connally falls forward as he describes in later Interviews when he is shot |
No |
Yes |
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Three shots were fired from the TSBD |
Yes |
Yes |
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Several Witnesses saw shooter(s) at the Grassy Knoll |
No |
Yes |
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Agrees with Dallas Police Recording |
No |
Yes |
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Kellerman Described “flurry of shots” |
No |
Yes |
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JFK and Connally both react to Z=222 shot |
Yes |
Yes |
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Connally bullet left wide scar to his back like the bullet was tumbling |
Yes (4) |
No |
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Bullet to JFK’s back did not have a point of exit (5). |
No |
Yes |
(1) If seriously wounded at approximately Z=220, this turn would be incredible for a man wounded so seriously.
(2) Connally’s right wrist is allegedly broken by the shot at Z=220, it’s not reasonable to believe he could hold his hat for over 5 seconds
(3) Both Nellie and John Connally were actually very sure he was not wounded by the same bullet that first struck JFK. At a showing of the Zapruder film, John Connally guessed that he was wounded closer to Z=238. If the Dallas Police recording is valid, there is no shot fired at that time. Roy Kellerman’s testimony also stated that it was 3-5 seconds before the last two shots after the first.
(4) The Single Bullet supporters such as Dr. Latimer use this as support that the bullet which hit Gov. Connally in the back struck something else first. Experimental shots show that a bullet passing through tissue like JFK’s upper body tends to roll over; hence the wider scar that was left in Gov. Connally’s back. This is not proof, however, that the bullet struck something else before it entered John Connally’s back.
(5) FBI agent O’Neal described the autopsy discovery of the bullet wound to Kennedy’s back and then said no point of exit was discovered by probing with both the doctor’s finger and instruments.
The above table indicates based on some of the information commonly discussed concerning the assassination that the Z=325 scenario has merit. When you look at the location of the shot to JFK’s back (four inches below the collar) and the fact that after exiting his neck, the bullet next has to be traveling at a 25 degree down angle; this is probably the major reason the single bullet theory has been so disbelieved.
Is that enough of an introduction? I’ll tell you later the rest of the story as for this to be credible, there had to be at least six shots with three different shooters according to one of the doctors involved in the Warren Commission investigation. But as I’ve shown so far, Governor Connally’s left leg wound was caused by a bullet which fragmented and hit both JFK and Governor Connally.
That reduces to five shots and three different shooters, three shots from the TSBD and two shots from the front of the limo, fired by two different shooters. And funny thing is, there were witnesses who saw them!
To give you a hint about the rest of the story, in Tip O’Neal’s book, “The Man of the House” he discusses a conversation with JFK aid Kenny O’Donnell who said he was quite sure there were two shot fired from the front. O’Donnell also tells why he did not tell the Warren Commission what he saw and heard when he testified.
The cover-up and the misinformation supplied by the government is as interesting as the shooting analysis itself. You see, for the government to get the investigation this wrong with testimony so clear, there had to be some interesting arm twisting going on. Arlen Specter, do you even today have a clue what you did? And Gerald Ford, the lone surviving member of the Warren Commission, you have to know something, don’t you? Or did both of you keep your heads buried in the sand as you were manipulated by the Guilty Men? The truth is buried in a Conspiracy of Silence, just like Dr. Crenshaw said in the first book I read on the subject.
And how could the major news media keep getting this so wrong? "We" will deal with you later.
If you check Tip O’Neal’s book, “The Man of the House”, you’ll see that he talks about Kenny O’Donnell’s description in the book of two shots that were fired from the front. Since O’Donnell was in one of the cars behind JFK’s, he had a unique position and describes later to Tip O’Neal why he did not tell what he saw correctly to the Warren Commission.
Now let’s look at the individual frames and see Connelly’s head snap downward immediately after the bullet hits him in the back. I drew a white line through the back of his head in each frame to make the rapid movement of his head clearer. This is the first time to my knowledge that this head movement has been documented. With 18.2 frames per second, it would be virtually impossible for Connally’s head to collapse without an external force.
Z=324
Z=325 
Z=326 
Z=327 
Z=328 
Now that you see in just a couple of frames how Governor Connally's head rolled down as he was ducking forward from the Z=313 shot that hit JFK in the head, listen to his description of how he was thrown forward as he was shot in the back.
A interview with Connally describing how he was shot
As you listen to Connally's description, the part about how he was hit in the back and thrown forward by the force of the bullet agrees with the Z=325 shot to Connally's back scenario very well, but then Govenor Connally goes on to describe how he then hears the fatal shot to JFK's head.
One of the reasons that this issue has been so confusing for so long is that many of the witnesses only got parts of what they said correct. Governor Connally, for example, did not see the head shot to President Kennedy as he was looking forward as he was turning to look over his left shoulder but he clearly says in his interview clip that JFK was shot after his back wound was received. Secret Service Agent Roy Kellerman says he heard one shot followed by 3-5 seconds then two shots, bang-bang. Kellerman argues with Specter later trying to reason there had to be more shots than three but Kellerman never says he heard more than three. The shots Kellerman identifies are number 3, 4 and 5. Shot 3 fragments and hits both JFK and wounds Connally in the left leg with a bullet fragment, shot 4 is the fatal head shot at Z=313, and shot 5 is the shot to Connally's back at Z=325.
And later when other details are explained, the actual killers will be exposed. No investigation could get this so wrong without some serious arm twisting.
I wonder if he believes BJ Clinton did not inhale - or have sex with that woman.?
We also have Roy Kellerman saying that he only heard three shots total:
Mr. SPECTER. Mr. Kellerman, you said earlier that there were at least two additional shots. Is there any area in your mind or possibility, as you recollect that situation, that there could have been more than two shots, or are you able to say with any certainty?
Mr. KELLERMAN. I am going to say that I have, from the firecracker report and the two other shots that I know, those were three shots. But, Mr. Specter, if President Kennedy had from all reports four wounds, Governor Connally three, there have got to be more than three shots, gentlemen.
Senator COOPER. What is that answer? What did he say?
Mr. SPECTER. Will you repeat that, Mr. Kellerman?
Mr. KELLERMAN. President Kennedy had four wounds, two in the head and shoulder and the neck. Governor Connally, from our reports, had three. There have got to be more than three shots.
Representative FORD. Is that why you have described--
Mr. KELLERMAN. The flurry.
Representative FORD. The noise as a flurry?
Mr. KELLERMAN. That is right, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. Excuse me, do you have any independent recollection, Mr. Kellerman, of the number of shots, aside from the inference that you make as to how many points of wounds there were?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Could you rephrase that, please?
Mr. SPECTER. Yes. You have drawn a conclusion, in effect, by saying that there were four wounds for the President and three wounds for the Governor; and from that, you say there must have been more than three shots in your opinion or your view. But my question is: Do you have any current recollection of having heard more than three shots?
Mr. KELLERMAN. No. I don't. I will have to say "No."
Senator COOPER. Has that been your recollection from the very time of the shooting?
Mr. KELLERMAN. No, sir; it has been my opinion.
Senator COOPER. Not your opinion, but from the time of the shooting you think then that you heard only three shots, or did you--
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes.
Senator COOPER. Or did you ever think that you heard more than three?
Mr. KELLERMAN. No, sir; I can't say that, sir.
Can you say with certainty that suppressors were not used?
Don't you think that is a distinct possibility? If I was a shooter I would certainly use one.
What evidence do you have that silencers were NOT used?
BILL_C claims that the sounds of the additional gunshots were captured on police recordings. If he is correct, then the recordings of the gunshot sounds are evidence that silencers were NOT used.
This is on my list of questions for GOD when I get there ... who shot who.
We also have Roy Kellerman saying that he only heard three shots total:
REPLY:
From memeory (as I don't have time to look that up now), we also have Roy Kellerman say that there were 3-5 seconds between the first shot he heard and the last two shots that he described as BANG-BANG. This is excellent agreement with the Dallas Police Radio audio as the accoustic analysis by Dr. Thomas shows slightly less than 5 seconds between shots 3 and 4.
So, Roy Kellerman did NOT hear shots 1 and 2, but he did hear shots 3, 4 and 5. Remember, shots 1, 2 and 3 were the first group fired before the limo reached the Stemmons Freeway sign (as seen on the Zapruder film). The total time between shots 1 and 3 was 2.6 seconds, three fairly closely spaced shots.
The only thing really necessary for Connally to have been shot in the back at Z=325 is for a bullet to have been fired at that time and Kellerman heard the BANG-BANG, the shot at Z=313 to JFK's head and the shot at Z=325 to Connally's back.
If the only shots Kellerman heard that day was the bang-bang for shots 4 and 5, his testimony would still be valuable to support this argument.
I'm not sure any of the witnesses correctly described the five shots spacing that the accoustic analysis of the Dallas Police recording provides, but there are plenty of witnesses who insist there were more than 3 shots, as there were some witnesses who only heard two.
Kellerman correctly described the last two shots fired as BANG-BANG, the first hitting JFK in the head at Z=313 and the second fired from the TSBD which missed JFK's head and hit Connally in the back at Z=325.
Who are you, and what are you trying to cover up?
There are always many points of view available on any thread here, and when I see someone trying to appeal to a mod to silence someone else, my tyranny sensors go on alert. Disagreement is great; that's how we get to the truth here, but attempts like yours usually come from the source of the problem. You're obviously too young to have any personal angle here, so who owns you?
If you do find any witnesses that correctly describe your hypothesized five shot spacing based on the accoustic analysis of the Dallas Police recordings, please post their testimony to this thread.
While waiting, anyone who is interested in learning more about the "accoustic analysis of the Dallas Police recording[s]" may find The acoustic evidence in the Kennedy assassination enlightening.
I believe Mr. and Mrs. Connelly knew exactly what happened that day unlike crackpots who sell a bunch of cheap books and DVD's like carnival barkers.
I also know what bullets can do and they don't penetrate two inches of flesh and then disappear.
I asked this guy exactly what happened that day and he still can't answer the question. He simply has no idea. He's making up as he goes along.
If you don't believe this, ask him to list the shooters and their precise positions. You won't get a straight answer.
Check the guy's history. The only reason he came to FR is to post this nonsense.
This thread is like asking if a plane hit the Pentagon.
You've got to be kidding.
What kind of logic is that?
Do you know what a silencer is?
A silencer would most likely NOT be recorded. So the fact that it was not recorded does not prove that they were not used.
While I accept your expertise with firearms, there are far too many discrepancies about the Kennedy assassination to convince me that Oswald was the lone shooter.
shooter .25 you're back.
In post 383 you accused me of saying that the government and Lady Bird Johnson were responsible for the assassination.
NOW I want you to either back that up or apologize for making things up.
Funny thing that you accuse anyone of making things up.
You are obviously projecting. That's why no amount of real logic and reasoning has any impact on your closed mind.
You may accept shooters "expertise" in firearms I most certainly do not. I would want to have some proof of everything he comes up with. He makes things up.
Real simple. Look at the Governor's interview. He said three shots. The shots were less than 100 yards away. The first shot missed. The second shot was a 161 grain bullet traveling 2000 feet a second, fully capable of going through two people. The third shot was a small hole in and a large hole out. All three recovered bullets were forward of the victims. No one and I repeat no one has ever created a different scenario that corresponds to the actual photos or films of this shooting incident.
Real simple.
shooter answer
You accused me of saying that the government and Lady Bird Johnson killed Kennedy.
BACK IT UP.
YOU CAN'T BECAUSE YOU MAKE THINGS UP.
YOU ARE JUST DISPLAYING YOUR OWN IGNORANCE.
shooter .25
Both Connallys said John Connally was hit after Kennedy was hit the first time. That makes FOUR shots.
One misses
second hits Kennedy
third hits Connally
fourth hits Kennedy
Once again you are either making things up or ignoring vital facts.
Can't believe anything you say.
The curb that within hours of the assassination was repaired.
Shooter, its you that are here to spread nonsense. No sensible person accepts any part of the Warren Commission cover-up. Connoly would have no special ability to sort this out, and its always been advantageous for him to "go along to get along" just as it has been for Gerald Ford. They know how far they would have gotten if they had spoken out for the truth. The fact that you say that you like to shoot has no special relevance in this matter either. You're either a deluded fool, or a paid deceiver. Either way you're not worth listening to.
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