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Families of elderly patients losing homes to TennCare
WBIR NBC-10 Knoxville ^ | 10/23/6 | SHEILA BURKE

Posted on 10/23/2006 10:24:56 AM PDT by SmithL

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1 posted on 10/23/2006 10:24:57 AM PDT by SmithL
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I may be in the minority here but I see nothing wrong with the state trying to recover some of the care costs of patients. It's taking nothing from the patients, only their heirs and at that, only money that's owed to the state.


2 posted on 10/23/2006 10:29:40 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: SmithL

It's a heartbreak, nothing but a heartbreak.


3 posted on 10/23/2006 10:29:48 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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DUH!

Medicaid/Tenncare.

BOTH will take the property of the patient/deceased to pay off the debt.

See http://www.billhobbs.com/ for a good explanation.
4 posted on 10/23/2006 10:30:33 AM PDT by fireforeffect (A kind word and a 2x4, gets you more than just a kind word.)
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1. You have never seen anything more expensive than free medical care.

2. I guess people just expect it all for free, and are upset when they actually have to pay for medical care or (gasp) save for it or prepare for it (like buying insurance).
5 posted on 10/23/2006 10:31:50 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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I don't know how it works in Tennesee, but there is a provision in Medicaid that specifies "estate recovery" for monies owed after long term care ends.

HERE

When we were contemplating long term care for a family member, the nursing homes made it abundantly clear that Medicaid did not mean "free" care. It meant Medicaid would go after every dollar in assets from the patient both while alive and after death.

6 posted on 10/23/2006 10:32:00 AM PDT by WIladyconservative
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To: Graybeard58

Me, neither.


7 posted on 10/23/2006 10:32:49 AM PDT by the Real fifi
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To: SmithL
There's every reason for the state to try to take this house,given the circumstances,otherwise,the state would have,in essence,been subsidizing the kids' inheritance with taxpayers' money.

I have no sympathy for the kids in any case like this.None.

8 posted on 10/23/2006 10:33:15 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative ("An empty limousine pulled up and Hillary Clinton got out")
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Takacs thinks there should be an honest debate about what people should pay and what the government should pay.

With all due respect, there is no "right" to health care. The taxpayer should not be asked to pay for a person's health care, car, boat, or education when that person has assets to pay for it.
9 posted on 10/23/2006 10:34:03 AM PDT by HaveHadEnough
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To: Graybeard58

While I see your point, it's still sad when you consider that these folks probably played by the rules their whole lives and yet are still in a position to lose their home. While many in this country use medical services for free and no one goes after their heirs or family members.


10 posted on 10/23/2006 10:35:21 AM PDT by Sergio (If a tree fell on a mime in the forest, would he make a sound?)
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To: WIladyconservative

When my mother was in a nursing home, my brother applied for Medicaid. Mom passed on before the application was process was completed. But it surprised me when my bro told me Medicaid here in PA did not demand the house. Now, this was a few years ago; perhaps the law has changed. But that's the way it was back then.


11 posted on 10/23/2006 10:35:45 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: Sergio
While many in this country use medical services for free and no one goes after their heirs or family members.

That's the part that's wrong. If there are any assets available the free loaders should pay too.

12 posted on 10/23/2006 10:37:22 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: fatnotlazy
my brother applied for Medicaid. Mom passed on before the application was process was completed. But it surprised me when my bro told me Medicaid here in PA did not demand the house

Why would they if the process was not completed?

13 posted on 10/23/2006 10:38:52 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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Poor estate planning. If the family had done its homework, and consulted with an expert, this could have been avoided, all legally.


14 posted on 10/23/2006 10:39:08 AM PDT by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: SmithL
Were they smokers?

If so, shouldn't it come out of the big tobacco settlement to pay for health care costs for smokers? /SARC

When I get to the point where someone feels the need to warehouse me, I'll sell my house. For a buck or two, maybe even five.

15 posted on 10/23/2006 10:39:56 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: SmithL

Here's the problem I have with this.

They're trying to recoup money for nursing home care...no problem. But then why not keep a running tab on all kinds of care given through the "system" and try to recoup that money too.

Why single out nursing home care? If the patient was on long term dialysis or chemotherapy under the program, why not try to recoup that too.

Why just try to recoup the money of those that were in nursing homes?


16 posted on 10/23/2006 10:40:01 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: Gay State Conservative

"I have no sympathy for the kids in any case like this.None."
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I think your right. If the children wanted the house, buy it. Pay their parents for the house. The parents then put the money in the bank and the state can collect for treatment from the parents accounts.


17 posted on 10/23/2006 10:42:10 AM PDT by wmfights (Psalm : 27)
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>>>"That was my father's dying wish - to hold onto the house, live in it, take care of it," said Nashville resident Judy Clifford, 66, one of three Henkel children. "That's what he told me, and he gave the house to me." >>>

Then your father should have purchased long term care insurance. It should not be for the tax payers of Tennessee to pay for your fathers care with a perfectly good way to pay sitting there so he can have a dying wish of holding to a house. It was my mothers dying wish not to die, but that didn't happen either.


18 posted on 10/23/2006 10:42:50 AM PDT by sandbar
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Why just try to recoup the money of those that were in nursing homes?

Because they aren't getting it from the deceased patients but from their heirs.

I do agree that they should go after all assets available from any patient. I pay my bills and tend to believe that everybody else should too.

19 posted on 10/23/2006 10:43:06 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Sergio

I am also going to presume that the elderly persons who recieved the care had been tax payers for most of their lives. It is my understanding that insurance for long term care is of course available but may be too costly for a person on a restricted income. In many cases the only way for an elderly person on a fixed income to receive long term care is through medicaid.

I understand the State's wanting to recoup expenses. However I think more is probably lost through fraud then through legitimate care given to those who have paid taxes and are faced with no alternative but to go on Medicaid.

Go after the illegals, the deadbeats, the doctor's who write fraudalent reports and others who are bilking the system. They are the real criminals.


20 posted on 10/23/2006 10:45:06 AM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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