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1 posted on 10/23/2006 10:24:57 AM PDT by SmithL
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I may be in the minority here but I see nothing wrong with the state trying to recover some of the care costs of patients. It's taking nothing from the patients, only their heirs and at that, only money that's owed to the state.


2 posted on 10/23/2006 10:29:40 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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It's a heartbreak, nothing but a heartbreak.


3 posted on 10/23/2006 10:29:48 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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DUH!

Medicaid/Tenncare.

BOTH will take the property of the patient/deceased to pay off the debt.

See http://www.billhobbs.com/ for a good explanation.
4 posted on 10/23/2006 10:30:33 AM PDT by fireforeffect (A kind word and a 2x4, gets you more than just a kind word.)
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1. You have never seen anything more expensive than free medical care.

2. I guess people just expect it all for free, and are upset when they actually have to pay for medical care or (gasp) save for it or prepare for it (like buying insurance).
5 posted on 10/23/2006 10:31:50 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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I don't know how it works in Tennesee, but there is a provision in Medicaid that specifies "estate recovery" for monies owed after long term care ends.

HERE

When we were contemplating long term care for a family member, the nursing homes made it abundantly clear that Medicaid did not mean "free" care. It meant Medicaid would go after every dollar in assets from the patient both while alive and after death.

6 posted on 10/23/2006 10:32:00 AM PDT by WIladyconservative
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There's every reason for the state to try to take this house,given the circumstances,otherwise,the state would have,in essence,been subsidizing the kids' inheritance with taxpayers' money.

I have no sympathy for the kids in any case like this.None.

8 posted on 10/23/2006 10:33:15 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative ("An empty limousine pulled up and Hillary Clinton got out")
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Takacs thinks there should be an honest debate about what people should pay and what the government should pay.

With all due respect, there is no "right" to health care. The taxpayer should not be asked to pay for a person's health care, car, boat, or education when that person has assets to pay for it.
9 posted on 10/23/2006 10:34:03 AM PDT by HaveHadEnough
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Poor estate planning. If the family had done its homework, and consulted with an expert, this could have been avoided, all legally.


14 posted on 10/23/2006 10:39:08 AM PDT by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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Were they smokers?

If so, shouldn't it come out of the big tobacco settlement to pay for health care costs for smokers? /SARC

When I get to the point where someone feels the need to warehouse me, I'll sell my house. For a buck or two, maybe even five.

15 posted on 10/23/2006 10:39:56 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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Here's the problem I have with this.

They're trying to recoup money for nursing home care...no problem. But then why not keep a running tab on all kinds of care given through the "system" and try to recoup that money too.

Why single out nursing home care? If the patient was on long term dialysis or chemotherapy under the program, why not try to recoup that too.

Why just try to recoup the money of those that were in nursing homes?


16 posted on 10/23/2006 10:40:01 AM PDT by dawn53
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>>>"That was my father's dying wish - to hold onto the house, live in it, take care of it," said Nashville resident Judy Clifford, 66, one of three Henkel children. "That's what he told me, and he gave the house to me." >>>

Then your father should have purchased long term care insurance. It should not be for the tax payers of Tennessee to pay for your fathers care with a perfectly good way to pay sitting there so he can have a dying wish of holding to a house. It was my mothers dying wish not to die, but that didn't happen either.


18 posted on 10/23/2006 10:42:50 AM PDT by sandbar
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Give your real estate to your kids. If you do it more tham 60 months prior to being deemed eligible for Medicaide, then it will not be looked at when you die.


25 posted on 10/23/2006 10:48:19 AM PDT by shankbear (Al-Qaeda grew while Monica blew)
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I WANT MY FREE STUFF!


28 posted on 10/23/2006 10:48:48 AM PDT by Wolfie
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"That's what he told me, and he gave the house to me."

If he gave the house to one or more of the children, and did so legally and within the prescribed time period, then the state can't touch it. If, however, it was simply a statement, or if it was done the week before, then the state can and will come after it.

These eventualities can be foreseen and planned for. The house can be put in a trust for the kids and the parents given a lifetime right to live in it. It's perfectly legal provided this is done far enough in advance (typically 3 years) so it is not an apparent attempt to circumvent paying medical and final care bills. Legally, then, the house doesn't belong to the parents any longer and the state can't come after it.

43 posted on 10/23/2006 10:56:29 AM PDT by O6ret
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"Now TennCare wants to sell the home to help recoup the roughly $288,000 that the state says it paid to take care of Mary Henkel in the nursing home before she died"

The operative phrase...

60 posted on 10/23/2006 11:08:37 AM PDT by patriot_wes (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem - may they prosper who love thee...Ps 122:6)
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This feels like a slippery slope. In a welfare society the individual can be viewed as owing everything to the state. Therefore once you pass on everything you own is sold to compensate the state for "services provided".

Services provided can be viewed as simple government functions once funded by taxes but now very costly due to the disparity between the public sector and private sector pay. To fund public sector wages the government starts confiscating private property to pay for services.


65 posted on 10/23/2006 11:10:46 AM PDT by mpreston
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Something I have to wonder about. When the patient is given or ask to sign forms to authorize treatment, are they made aware that receiving the treatment will cost their children the home they're living in? If I'm ever in that position, I might want to know that.


69 posted on 10/23/2006 11:14:31 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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That free stuff sure costs a lot.


71 posted on 10/23/2006 11:14:56 AM PDT by Constantine XIII
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The old man should have transferred the title to the family and the govt can go pound salt for allowing health care to become unaffordable.


76 posted on 10/23/2006 11:22:14 AM PDT by John Lenin
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If a private company or a corporation were doing these things, the state would shut them down instantly.

So much wrong here; but it really all boils down to a single word in one sentence:

"If we are going to provide Medicaid coverage, we must actively engage in estate recovery efforts."

If.

If it were truly a matter of IF, people would be discussing the alternative.

Instead we have no one questioning the merit of socialized medicine, and therefore they actively engage in estate recovery efforts that would be called criminal atrocitites if committed by anyone except the holy gubmint.


90 posted on 10/23/2006 11:44:32 AM PDT by Graymatter
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