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Muslims challenged by gynaecologists
The Daily Telegraph ^ | October 23, 2006 | David Rennie

Posted on 10/23/2006 12:23:16 AM PDT by MadIvan

France's leading gynaecologists have challenged hard-line Muslims to bow to France's secular, "modern" rules of society, and to stop insisting that their wives are examined by female doctors.

The heads of the French National College of Gynaecologists and Obstetricians issued a public declaration, rejecting any moves to undermine the principle that public hospitals are part of a secular state, in which patients must accept being examined by a doctor of the opposite sex.

The move came after a consultant in Paris was punched by a Muslim who was concerned that a male doctor wanted to examine his wife after complications in childbirth. Though incidents of gynaecologists being attacked on religious grounds remain rare, the declaration said Muslim rejection of secular norms appeared to be rising.

The college said: "Thirty years ago, Muslim women came into our hospitals without any alarm at being taken into the care of doctors, most of whom were men, and there were none of these difficulties. Why are things going backwards? It is for Islam to adapt to the liberties that all must possess in a modern state." Xavier Bertrand, France's health minister, wrote to the college offering support and expressing his "indignation" at assaults on doctors.

The French constitutional requirement of "laïcité", the separation of state and religious activities, led to a law banning the wearing of "conspicuous religious symbols" in schools, such as the Muslim headscarf.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: eurabia; examination; france; gynaecologists
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It's now proven that the gynaecologists of France have more guts than Chirac.

Regards, Ivan

1 posted on 10/23/2006 12:23:17 AM PDT by MadIvan
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To: Mrs Ivan; odds; DCPatriot; Texican; Watery Tart; Deetes; Barset; fanfan; LadyofShalott; Tolik; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 10/23/2006 12:23:51 AM PDT by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: MadIvan
Why are things going backwards?

Because you let them.

3 posted on 10/23/2006 12:28:03 AM PDT by CAWats (And I will make no distinction between the terrorists and the Democrats)
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To: MadIvan

I'm SOOO glad the Euroweenies are going through all of this, so we here in the US won't have to!


4 posted on 10/23/2006 12:35:37 AM PDT by hunter112 (Total victory at home and in the Middle East!)
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To: MadIvan

muslims are non-assimilatory creatures.
flush them out of the western world and send them back to their middle eastern toilets.

I suppose their babies have to be delivered facing away from the western direction so that islamic female vaginal areas are not exposed to Mecca.


6 posted on 10/23/2006 12:40:56 AM PDT by doc maverick
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"away from the western direction"

LOLLLL I mean the eastern direction....oh well,

who the $#$#@ cares!


7 posted on 10/23/2006 12:43:32 AM PDT by doc maverick
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To: doc maverick

And after that, the insistence on breech births, so the kids pop out facing Mecca? (another bad humor attempt)


8 posted on 10/23/2006 12:48:03 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: MadIvan

Muslim husband assaults male gynaecologist

Paris - The agency in charge of Paris-region hospitals on Saturday confirmed that the husband of a Muslim woman examined by a male gynaecologist had physically attacked the doctor, but refused to confirm allegations that the assault was motivated by religious extremism.

The AP-HP hospital agency said it had taken legal proceedings against the husband for an incident that occurred on the night of September 8 in the emergency service of an unnamed Paris hospital.

However the agency refused to endorse a statement by the professional association of French gynaecologists and obstetricians, who described the assault as a manifestation of "Muslim fundamentalism."

The statement by the CNGOF professional association mentioned a similar incident that occurred in a Paris-region hospital in 2003.

'Hospitals must remain absolutely neutral from the religious and ideological point of view'
In both attacks, gynecologists were "physically attacked and injured by the husbands of patients on the grounds that as male doctors they should not examine their wives," the statement said.

However the hospital authorities said they had "not at this stage confirmed any religious motivation" behind the latest incident.

French Health Minister Xavier Bertrand on Friday condemned the September incident, but also said he could not confirm that it was related to "religious or cultural motives."

"Hospitals must remain absolutely neutral from the religious and ideological point of view," he said.

The hospital agency said that a total of 185 violent incidents had been recorded in the 38 Paris-region public hospitals in 2005, up from 145 in the previous year.

However the hospital authorities did not record whether there was any religious motive to any of the attacks, because "such records would be discriminatory, and we have a neutral position," the statement said.

In their statement the gynecologists and obstetricians made a link between the case and a recent high-profile incident in which a French schoolteacher received death threats after publishing a virulent anti-Islamic article in a national paper.

"Are male gynecologists and obstetricians going to have to be protected by the police from now on when they do their job?" the statement asked. "Will they have to go into hiding like philosophy teachers?" - Sapa-AFP


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9 posted on 10/23/2006 12:54:05 AM PDT by endthematrix (I enjoy grilled steak, domestic beer on tap and pinup calendars. Yup, I'm American!)
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To: hunter112
so we here in the US won't have to!

Give it time.

10 posted on 10/23/2006 12:54:27 AM PDT by Cobra64 (Why is the War on Terror being managed by the DEFENSE Department?)
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To: MadIvan

Of course the story was posted on FR:

Muslim husband assaults male gynaecologist
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1723611/posts


11 posted on 10/23/2006 12:56:02 AM PDT by endthematrix (I enjoy grilled steak, domestic beer on tap and pinup calendars. Yup, I'm American!)
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To: hunter112
I'm SOOO glad the Euroweenies are going through all of this, so we here in the US won't have to!

That remains to be seen.

12 posted on 10/23/2006 12:57:00 AM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: xc1427; MadIvan
> Here's a stupid attempt at humor. I would like French gynaecologists to let us know what percentage of Muslim women have "cameltoe."

Ah, but the condition known as "cameltoe" requires the wearing of clothing of a nature unlikely to appear in the presence of a burkha. For example, few Muslim women are seen in overly-tight lycra-spandex panties, even by their gynaecologists.

13 posted on 10/23/2006 12:58:41 AM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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LMAO!!! You are absoltely right. This would be unbearable to see, and the unsightly "stains" would be frightening!


14 posted on 10/23/2006 1:02:31 AM PDT by xc1427 (Remember, it's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.)
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To: MadIvan
The college said: "Thirty years ago, Muslim women came into our hospitals without any alarm at being taken into the care of doctors, most of whom were men, and there were none of these difficulties. Why are things going backwards? It is for Islam to adapt to the liberties that all must possess in a modern state." Xavier Bertrand, France's health minister, wrote to the college offering support and expressing his "indignation" at assaults on doctors.

Simple. Thirty years ago they had not the numbers to press for their own way. They've always felt this way, they just didn't want anyone to know until they had the power to make you say "uncle". It's the same reason the U.S.A. didn't have problems with illegal Latinos making demands until the last few years. They knew we'd round'em up and send'em home.

15 posted on 10/23/2006 1:02:32 AM PDT by Razz Barry
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To: MadIvan
Religion and state were separated in France in 1906.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

16 posted on 10/23/2006 1:15:06 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: doc maverick
I suppose their babies have to be delivered facing away from the western direction so that islamic female vaginal areas are not exposed to Mecca.

I did a research paper for nursing school. One of the "culturally sensitive" things that some hospitals do are making sure hospital beds are facing Mecca for the Muslim patients.

17 posted on 10/23/2006 1:32:42 AM PDT by Siouxz ( Freepers are the best!!!)
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To: Gondring

LOL!


18 posted on 10/23/2006 1:38:36 AM PDT by Dallas59 (Muslims Are Only Guests In Western Countries)
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To: MadIvan
France's leading gynaecologists have challenged hard-line Muslims to bow to France's secular, "modern" rules of society, and to stop insisting that their wives are examined by female doctors.

But wait, isn't the ultimate expression of Islamic society, the Taliban, blowing up schools so that girls cannot attend? Where do they think female doctors come from?

19 posted on 10/23/2006 2:46:27 AM PDT by Dahoser (God bless our troops and at home defenders.)
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To: Siouxz
I did a research paper for nursing school. One of the "culturally sensitive" things that some hospitals do are making sure hospital beds are facing Mecca for the Muslim patients.

So you were required to carry a compass?
20 posted on 10/23/2006 2:54:52 AM PDT by kinoxi
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