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'We burnt their homes and killed all the men, women and children'
The Times ^ | October 18, 2006 | Martin Fletcher

Posted on 10/17/2006 10:03:26 PM PDT by MadIvan

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To: TheCrusader
In this whole article I never saw the word "muslim" or "Christian", even though the marauding janjaweed are mostly Arab muslims and those being massacred by them are Christians.

I never saw that either. Probably because it is not true.

61 posted on 10/18/2006 2:08:04 PM PDT by zimdog
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To: Nathan Zachary
Sometimes they call it "tribal warfare" but you can bet 9 times out of 10 there is Muslim involved.

Unfortunately for your argument, that 10th time is known as "Rwanda".

62 posted on 10/18/2006 2:09:32 PM PDT by zimdog
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To: Nathan Zachary
especially in northern Africa. Not so much so in the south.

That's true. In southern Africa, most warfare is Christian sponsored, it's just that most people dodn't realize that they were Christians, thanks in part to media hiding that fact in recent times.

63 posted on 10/18/2006 2:11:38 PM PDT by zimdog
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To: Nathan Zachary
I'm not sure who promoted the Government in the north, at one time it was a blend, but Muslims have taken it over in recent times.

The Government promouted itself. Bashir came to power in a military coup.

No doubt Frances idea, sinse they have played a large part in Africa screwing things up, like they did in Nigeria.

What did France do in Nigeria?

64 posted on 10/18/2006 2:14:25 PM PDT by zimdog
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To: ARealMothersSonForever
Who should take the military lead in Darfur? Everybody seems to be looking at the USA. We did not install the government in Sudan.

Our leadership would be consitent with the Bush Doctrine.

65 posted on 10/18/2006 2:15:14 PM PDT by zimdog
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To: brwnsuga
Many black African Christians are being slaughtered as well.

Not so much now, after last year's peace accords.

66 posted on 10/18/2006 2:17:35 PM PDT by zimdog
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To: Hoodat

That's what I thought too.


67 posted on 10/18/2006 2:18:42 PM PDT by CougarGA7 (This tag line will be commercial free for the remainder of this thread.)
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To: jackieaxe
My guess is the cry was "Kill the Infidels" not "Kill the Blacks".

Seeing that your "guess" contradicts eyewitness testimony, what do you base it on?

68 posted on 10/18/2006 2:19:35 PM PDT by zimdog
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To: A CA Guy

I personally believe it's because of all the witchcraft and devil worship there. They're so oppressed by evil spirits that I wonder how any of them survive.


69 posted on 10/18/2006 2:43:58 PM PDT by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: Nathan Zachary

And don't forget it was Muslim traders who captured Africans (with a little help from the African chiefs) and sold them into slavery. And whites are blamed??? Cretans!


70 posted on 10/18/2006 2:45:33 PM PDT by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: MadIvan

That article is actually pretty lousy. No mention whatsoever of the role of radical Islam in the genocide. They make it seem like it's nothing but ethnic tensions. The PC media is out of control.


71 posted on 10/18/2006 4:13:11 PM PDT by LSUfan
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To: Marysecretary
They're so oppressed by evil spirits that I wonder how any of them survive.

Check out the Book of Daniel, chapter 10...

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"Daniel, beloved," he said to me, "understand the words which I am speaking to you; stand up, for my mission now is to you." When he said this to me, I stood up trembling.

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"Fear not, Daniel," he continued; "from the first day you made up your mind to acquire understanding and humble yourself before God, your prayer was heard. Because of it I started out,

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5 but the prince of the kingdom of Persia stood in my way for twenty-one days, until finally Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me. I left him there with the prince of the kings of Persia,

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and came to make you understand what shall happen to your people in the days to come; for there is yet a vision concerning those days."

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While he was speaking thus to me, I fell forward and kept silent.

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Then something like a man's hand touched my lips; I opened my mouth and said to the one facing me, "My lord, I was seized with pangs at the vision and I was powerless.

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How can my lord's servant speak with you, my lord? For now no strength or even breath is left in me."

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The one who looked like a man touched me again and strengthened me, saying,

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"Fear not, beloved, you are safe; take courage and be strong."

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When he spoke to me, I grew strong and said, "Speak, my lord, for you have strengthened me." "Do you know," he asked, "why I have come to you? Soon I must fight the prince of Persia again. When I leave, the prince of Greece will come;

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but I shall tell you what is written in the truthful book. No one supports me against all these except Michael, your prince,

1
1 standing as a reinforcement and a bulwark for me.

There is evidence for sure of evil spirits over the Middle East even in the Bible.

72 posted on 10/18/2006 4:47:17 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: LSUfan

What is the role of radical Islam in the genocide?


73 posted on 10/18/2006 4:58:31 PM PDT by zimdog
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To: Marysecretary

Why should the white slavetraders be blamed?


74 posted on 10/18/2006 4:59:12 PM PDT by zimdog
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To: zimdog
"In this whole article I never saw the word "muslim" or "Christian", even though the marauding janjaweed are mostly Arab muslims and those being massacred by them are Christians."

"I never saw that either. Probably because it is not true."

I was wrong to say that Darfur's victims are mostly Chritians, but Darfur is an Arab/muslim killing ground of genocide and racism, and any article about Darfur that doesn't use the word "muslim" or "islamic" is a joke. As a result of this genocidal warfare millions of black africans have been murdered or displaced, and Christians are included among the victims.

75 posted on 10/18/2006 5:51:15 PM PDT by TheCrusader
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To: TheCrusader
I was wrong to say that Darfur's victims are mostly Chritians, but Darfur is an Arab/muslim killing ground of genocide and racism, and any article about Darfur that doesn't use the word "muslim" or "islamic" is a joke. As a result of this genocidal warfare millions of black africans have been murdered or displaced, and Christians are included among the victims.

The overwhelming majority of Darfur's residents -- that is to say, the genocide's victims -- are Muslims. An article that includes the words "muslim" or "islamic" could be about supposed trends in the global persecution of Muslims just as easily as the blame-Islam-for-everything article you're salivating over.

76 posted on 10/18/2006 6:14:45 PM PDT by zimdog
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To: zimdog
"An article that includes the words "muslim" or "islamic" could be about supposed trends in the global persecution of Muslims just as easily as the blame-Islam-for-everything article you're salivating over."

Islam needs to be exposed for the bloody, barbaric cult which it is. When you have ARAB muslim militias like the "janjaweed" riding through black muslim neighborhoods, (that also include Christians and others), and massacreing them in a racist, genocidal bloodlust, you need to reveal who these folks are. They are MUSLIMS doing what muslims have always done, killing anyone weaker than themselves. When there are no "infidels" around to slaugther, they simply revert to killing each other, (Iran-Iraq war, Iraq tribal warfare, Afghanistan tribal warfare, Sunnis killing Shiites, Shiites killing Kurds, Iraq killing Kuwaitis, etc). Islam is a dark cult of blood and death.

So how can anyone justify writing an article about the genocidal Arab muslim "janjaweed" massacreing tens of thousands of black muslims, without ever using the word "muslim"? The answer is clear, the msm are trying very hard to keep the evils of islam covered in darkness.

77 posted on 10/18/2006 9:31:44 PM PDT by TheCrusader
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To: TheCrusader
So how can anyone justify writing an article about the genocidal Arab muslim "janjaweed" massacreing tens of thousands of black muslims, without ever using the word "muslim"? The answer is clear, the msm are trying very hard to keep the evils of islam covered in darkness.

I have a question for you: Given that professing Christians massacred Africans for centuries in a racist, genocidal bloodlust, how can anyone write an article about the Rwandan genocide without mentioning that the perpetrators were Chrisitans? It's hard to argue that any religion complicit in that is not a dark cult of blood and death.

78 posted on 10/18/2006 9:37:58 PM PDT by zimdog
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To: TheCrusader
When you have ARAB muslim militias like the "janjaweed" riding through black muslim neighborhoods, (that also include Christians and others), and massacreing them in a racist, genocidal bloodlust, you need to reveal who these folks are.

I don't know why you see it fit to put "Arab" in all-caps.

Also, since you keep insisting on their statistical significance, do you know how many Darfuris are Christians? My understanding is that they are overwhelmingly Muslims.

79 posted on 10/18/2006 9:40:45 PM PDT by zimdog
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To: unspun
It's past time to pressure all of D.C., to defend Christians, worldwide.

Why would they do that? A good number of them don't like Christians either.

80 posted on 10/18/2006 9:40:51 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this plan just might work.)
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