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'We burnt their homes and killed all the men, women and children'
The Times ^ | October 18, 2006 | Martin Fletcher

Posted on 10/17/2006 10:03:26 PM PDT by MadIvan

For three years, this Arab shepherd says, he was forced to raze the villages of black Africans in Darfur

OUTSIDE the back window Bakerloo Line trains rattle past. Downstairs someone makes tea. But in the upstairs living room of a nondescript house off Lambeth Road in South London a slight, softly spoken young man tells a story of atrocities in a far-off land that is anything but mundane.

Dily, a Sudanese Arab, recounts how for three years he and his fellow Janjawid charged the farming villages of Darfur on their camels and horses, raking the huts with gunfire and shouting: “Kill the slaves. Kill the slaves.”

He reckons he attacked about 30 villages in all, and cannot count the people he shot. The villages were invariably destroyed, he says. The homes were burnt to the ground and the men, women and children killed — sometimes with the help of government airstrikes. If there were survivors “they would be left there . . . They couldn’t get help. Sometimes they made it to camps but mostly they died of thirst or starvation”.

Dily is a rarity in that wretched conflict. Filled with disgust, he finally escaped the Janjawid’s clutches and last month, with the help of “people smugglers”, reached Britain, where he is now seeking political asylum. He expresses remorse. He is willing to talk, and the story he tells flatly contradicts the Sudanese Government’s claims that it has no control over the Janjawid — the predominantly Arab “devils on horseback” who have driven two million of Darfur’s black Africans into camps and killed at least 200,000.

He says the Government deceived innocent Arab shepherds like himself into joining the Janjawid, saying they had to defend their communities against attack by Darfur’s black African rebel groups. He says they were trained and armed by Sudanese soldiers, ordered by the Government to attack Darfur’s villages and given military support when necessary. The Janjawid was formed for ethnic cleansing, he insists. “Why (else) would you attack villages, kill people, displace them and kill them in their thousands?”

Dily is not his real name, and he would be photographed only with a scarf around his face and a baseball cap pulled low over his eyes. His wife and young child remain in Sudan and he fears for their safety if he is identified.

Nor can Dily’s story be independently verified, but he specifies names, places and events, speaks with the accent and idiom of the area he says he comes from, and has persuaded Darfuris living in Britain that he is genuine.

“He’s for real,” said Ishag Mekki, the deputy chairman of the Darfur Union, which represents Darfuris in Britain. James Smith, the chief executive of the Aegis Trust, a pressure group which campaigns against genocide, concurs: “We’ve checked his credibility as much as we can and we’re convinced he is who he says he is.”

Dily, who is in his early twenties, rarely smiled and fidgeted nervously with his hands as he spoke through an interpreter. He said he was tending his family’s camel herd in northern Darfur when rebel groups began attacking government targets in 2003: severe droughts had set black African farmers against nomadic Arabs and the rebels accused the Government of siding with the Arabs.

Dily said he was pressed to join the Janjawid by tribal elders, who were under pressure from government officials. “We were told we were Arab nomads and we had to protect our lands and our cattle,” he said.

Dily and about 20 other youths from his area rode off on their camels to a training camp near the town of Kebkabiya where they joined hundreds of other Janjawid recruits. He says uniformed Sudanese soldiers spent about 20 days teaching them how to use guns — a Kalashnikov in his case — and attack villages.

Those with camels were separated from those with horses. They were organised into battalions of more than 500 men each. They were paid two million Sudanese pounds — roughly £500 — for the use of their camels and promised a monthly salary of 500,000 Sudanese pounds.

Then they were unleashed. Apart from occasional visits home, Dily and his battalion — led by a former bandit — spent the next three years on the move, destroying one village after another. “The Government said attack all villages. The local commanders decided which,” he said.

The battalion would send scouts to check whether there were armed fighters in the targeted village. “If there were no fighters we just attacked straight away. If there were we had to be more cautious.” Sometimes they used satellite telephones to request airstrikes by the Sudanese military helicopters before attacking. “We would see smoke and fire and then we would go in.”

The attacks usually started early and lasted most of the day. The commanders said the villages had to be destroyed, and they did not spare women or children. “Mostly they said “Kill the blacks. Kill the blacks,” Dily said. “The majority of (the victims) were civilians, most of them women.”

Dily said he never raped a woman but other Janjawid did. “They took girls and women away, just out of sight, and started to rape them. Sometimes you heard gunshots if they refused.” They took away the cattle. Some were drunk.

Dily said he felt no elation during or after the attacks. He and his colleagues did not even know what they were fighting for, but faced execution if they disobeyed orders. “I hated the war and I hated the killings and decided to leave and to leave Sudan altogether,” he said.

One night he slipped away from the camp, risking death and knowing that he might never see his wife and child again. He hid in the mountains for three days, then made his way to the town of Kutum. A fellow Arab drove him to Mellit, and from there he was smuggled by car to the Libyan border for 500,000 Sudanese pounds. He was determined to reach Britain because, he was told, “it’s different from other European countries. They look after refugees”.

He borrowed money from friends of his father in Tripoli’s Sudanese community and paid $1,200 (£640) to reach Italy on a small boat packed with 25 other illegal immigrants. He paid another $200 to reach Paris by train and $300 to be smuggled into Britain in a lorry carrying boxes of bottled water.

He arrived somewhere — he thinks Oxford — on September 20. He was arrested and sent to Croydon to apply for asylum. He is now living in a hostel, haunted by memories of burning villages. “Anybody who participates in war has to feel sorry for what happened,” he says.

The Aegis Trust plans to present Dily’s testimony to the International Criminal Court as evidence of genocide by Sudan’s leaders, who are still refusing to let United Nations troops into Darfur. “Everything this man says confirms that the Government of Sudan, contrary to its protestations, has been organising and supporting the Janjawid’s ethnic-cleansing operations from the beginning,” said Dr Smith, of the Trust.

Told of Dily’s testimony on a BBC Newsnight programme, Hilary Benn, the International Development Secretary who has just returned from a visit to Sudan, said: “It’s clearly very serious evidence and I would urge that that information is passed to the International Criminal Court investigators.”

THE CONFLICT IN DARFUR

February 2003 The Darfur Liberation Front, later the Sudan Liberation Army (SLA), claims discrimination by the mainly Arabic Government against black Africans

Spring 2004 Government is accused of using Arab militia — Janjawid — against SLA

January 2005 UN reports that Government and militias collaborated to commit atrocities, but “genocidal intent appears to be missing”

May 2006 Government and SLA sign peace deal, promise to disarm the Janjawid

August 2006 Janjawid still armed. UN resolution calls for a peacekeeping force

September 2006 African Union ignores order to leave

October 2006 Bush imposes further sanctions


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: darfur; islam; janjaweed; janjawid; sudan; terrorism; trop
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To: Nathan Zachary

They were killing each other off in Africa in tribal warfare well before anyone knew what Muslims were.

Granted Muslims are a cancer to this earth now in it's current form, but Africa was not always a Muslim issue IMO.


21 posted on 10/17/2006 10:25:29 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: TNdandelion
"If his story is to be believed, then the Sudanese Govt has way more to answer for than the puppets who were sent to do the deeds."

Hias story sounds accurate. there have been plenty of them that say the same thing.

Koffee Anus wouldn't hold the Sudanese government accountable, he aproves of their behavior and showed this by appointing them to the Human Rights commission chair in the UN .

22 posted on 10/17/2006 10:32:38 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary (Bukhari:V1B1N6 “Just issue orders to kill every Jew in the country.”)
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To: blam
Some of them were Muslims. In this case, being Black is what got you killed, not being an infidel.

At first it was being black and Christian. When they ran out of Christians, it was just being black. A little case of muslim Arab racial supremacy at work.

23 posted on 10/17/2006 10:33:33 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: A CA Guy
They were killing each other off in Africa in tribal warfare well before anyone knew what Muslims were.

That's not quite true. Muslims have been killing in Africa almost from the beginnings of Islam. While there was and is some tribal warfare, most warfare is Muslim sponsored, it's just that most people dodn't realize that they were muslims, thanks in part to media hiding that fact in recent times.

24 posted on 10/17/2006 10:37:28 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary (Bukhari:V1B1N6 “Just issue orders to kill every Jew in the country.”)
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To: A CA Guy

especially in northern Africa. Not so much so in the south.


25 posted on 10/17/2006 10:38:39 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary (Bukhari:V1B1N6 “Just issue orders to kill every Jew in the country.”)
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To: Alexander Rubin; Nathan Zachary
Thanks for the help. Who should take the military lead in Darfur? Everybody seems to be looking at the USA. We did not install the government in Sudan. Who installed and supports Sudan?
26 posted on 10/17/2006 10:40:27 PM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever (We shall never forget the atrocities of September 11, 2001.)
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To: Nathan Zachary
I would agree that perhaps you couldn't tell today which is natural tribal warfare and which is Muslim influenced, but I think tribes were killing each other well before Muslims existed.
I don't think Islam was the birth of tribal warfare in Africa at all, I think it was just an branch from original tribal warfare.
I do agree with you that today they are like a cancer causing lots of issues.
27 posted on 10/17/2006 10:40:56 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: MadIvan; Zhangliqun; Southack; wagglebee; weegee; SJackson; mhking

they did not spare women or children. “Mostly they said “Kill the blacks. Kill the blacks,” Dily said. “The majority of (the victims) were civilians, most of them women.”

Dily said he never raped a woman but other Janjawid did. “They took girls and women away, just out of sight, and started to rape them. Sometimes you heard gunshots if they refused.”



...and the UN seriously thinks they're going to sort this out by talking to the regime in Khartoum. --MadIvan


Tagline by Zhangliqun (The fetal position has yet to scare a bully.)


28 posted on 10/17/2006 10:41:53 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: Nathan Zachary

THat is true. But there is always hope that someone... somewhere within the UN or outside would use this information to help those people.


29 posted on 10/17/2006 10:44:53 PM PDT by TNdandelion
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To: blam
"Some of them were Muslims. In this case, being Black is what got you killed, not being an infidel"

The Janjaweed are Arab muslims, the black villigers of Darfur are Christians. Don't fool yourself into believing that these two facts are merely coincidental. It's muslims massacreing Christians, business as usual.

30 posted on 10/17/2006 10:47:14 PM PDT by TheCrusader
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To: MadIvan

Too late here in Alaska to read it all, but I need to bookmark this to read tomorrow. Thanks for posting it, MadIvan!


31 posted on 10/17/2006 10:51:22 PM PDT by Chena ("I'm not young enough to know everything." (Oscar Wilde))
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To: TheCrusader
It's past time to pressure all of D.C., to defend Christians, worldwide.
32 posted on 10/17/2006 10:54:09 PM PDT by unspun (What do you think? Please think, before you answer.)
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To: A CA Guy
It was from the beginnings of the Muhammadan crusades a goal of the Caliphate to take over the entire African continent.
But due to the difficulties encountered in India, they never managed to reach very far into the south Africa's. Then there were the counter attacks of the Crusades to retake the holy lands from the Mohammedans, and finally a severe pummeling from Genghis Khan that halted much of the Muhammadan crusades.

Then the Ottoman empire grew, but never pushed deep into south Africa either, so in that sense, any tribal warfare in the south wouldn't have been much to do with Muslims.

Even the Northern Africa's drifted away from hard line Islam-ism, and became a blend of tribal African customs and Islam, and of course the Christianity brought by the missonary efforts of a few centuries, which today (the better part of this past half century) is what the Arabs are trying to purge, and convert them into Wahabbi style of Islam.

33 posted on 10/17/2006 10:59:46 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary (Bukhari:V1B1N6 “Just issue orders to kill every Jew in the country.”)
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To: Nathan Zachary
I agree with you that from the time that Muslims got involved things sure got worse, but I do not believe they were the start of tribal warfare in Africa.

I think Africa was primitive long before Muslims got there.

But I of course agree with the recent Muslim history you posted.

Bottom line in all of it Nathan is peace will be tough anywhere Islam is around.
Islam is getting bolder and unless the religion/cult reforms itself, then there might be the biggest backlash against them that they will forever regret causing IMO.
34 posted on 10/17/2006 11:07:40 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: ARealMothersSonForever
"Who installed and supports Sudan?

Sudan is split between north and south I believe, the south being Christian, and the north Muslim. that's where all the trouble is, as well as some raids for slaves into the south, some of which find themselves in Sadi Arabia as slaves. I'm not sure who promoted the Government in the north, at one time it was a blend, but Muslims have taken it over in recent times.

I think it was the UN that finally drew a line between north and south in an effort to keep the peace. No doubt Frances idea, sinse they have played a large part in Africa screwing things up, like they did in Nigeria.

35 posted on 10/17/2006 11:09:51 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary (Bukhari:V1B1N6 “Just issue orders to kill every Jew in the country.”)
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To: A CA Guy
"Islam is getting bolder and unless the religion/cult reforms itself, then there might be the biggest backlash against them that they will forever regret causing IMO."

Well, let's hope history repeats, or else they might succeed this time if the west can't muster up the will to do what needs to be done.

36 posted on 10/17/2006 11:15:32 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary (Bukhari:V1B1N6 “Just issue orders to kill every Jew in the country.”)
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To: Nathan Zachary
No doubt Frances idea, sinse they have played a large part in Africa screwing things up, like they did in Nigeria.

Then the rest of the world needs to take France to task, and quit blaming Great Britain and the USA. Have Kofi demand that France send "peacekeepers". Every screw-up that is blamed on the USA for our help, is based upon the French. WWII- France invades Germany, gets their @ss handed to them. Viet Nam- French Indochina gets dicey, the French demand that the Gulf of Tonkin resolution be treaty-bound. Lebanon- France encourages Syrian intervention in Lebanese political affairs. Hizb hits Israel, France says NOTHING, and blames the USA for not handcuffing Israel. If there is anyone to blame for the suffering in Darfur it is FRANCE! BTW, France sucks.

37 posted on 10/17/2006 11:41:10 PM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever (We shall never forget the atrocities of September 11, 2001.)
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To: ARealMothersSonForever

Roger On Target~~~Fire For Effect~~~Repeat...


38 posted on 10/17/2006 11:47:17 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: MadIvan

ping


39 posted on 10/18/2006 12:37:14 AM PDT by SR 50 (Larry)
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To: MadIvan
One night he slipped away from the camp, risking death and knowing that he might never see his wife and child again.

So, if his story is true, he cared more about himself and left his wife and child behind. Possibly to be murdered because he deserted. Hope he enjoys his afternoon tea.

40 posted on 10/18/2006 12:46:42 AM PDT by barker (Some days are diamonds, some days are stones.)
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